Writhing Wall Bethesda_DE stream times?

MreeBiPolar · October 10

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/68783 gives, among other things, the following stream times for Bethesda_DE:

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa. So which times are correct?

Especially seeing as it's the DE stream, so [this] one would expect the European times to be right, and comparing this with the PL streams, which start at the same time CET/CEST:

Wednesday, October 15 at 3–5PM EDT (21:00–23:00CEST)
Wednesday, October 29 at 4–6PM EDT (21:00–23:00CET)
Wednesday, November 12 at 4–6PM EDT (21:00–23:00CET)

@ZOS_Kevin
(Maybe give us some fixed reference time like UTC?)

MreeBiPolar · October 10

... Or, maaaaybe, add them to the twitch schedule in advance, not the last moment?

Maitsukas · October 10

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/68783 gives, among other things, the following stream times for Bethesda_DE:

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa. So which times are correct?

Especially seeing as it's the DE stream, so [this] one would expect the European times to be right, and comparing this with the PL streams, which start at the same time CET/CEST:

Wednesday, October 15 at 3–5PM EDT (21:00–23:00CEST)
Wednesday, October 29 at 4–6PM EDT (21:00–23:00CET)
Wednesday, November 12 at 4–6PM EDT (21:00–23:00CET)

@ZOS_Kevin
(Maybe give us some fixed reference time like UTC?)

BST times are shown if you switch to English (International) or if you change en-us to en-gb in the link.

Jaimeh · October 10

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/68783 gives, among other things, the following stream times for Bethesda_DE:

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa. So which times are correct?

You are right, it should be vice-versa, because CET is behind CEST. As for the time difference to the US, in Europe in autumn the clocks change at the end of October, but in the US at the beginning of November, so there is a two week period iirc where there is 1 hour less difference than normal.

MreeBiPolar · October 10

Maitsukas wrote: »

BST times are shown if you switch to English (International) or if you change en-us to en-gb in the link.

The point of UTC over BST is that it doesn't hop back and forth with daylight.

SeaGtGruff · October 10

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa.

Are you sure about that?

The common saying about Daylight-Saving Time is "Spring ahead; fall back."

You move the clock 1 hour ahead of Standard Time when DST begins, such that 6 PM in Standard Time becomes 7 PM in DST.

You move the clock 1 hour back when DST ends, such that 7 PM in DST becomes 6 PM in Standard Time.

So those times don't look backwards to me; they look correct.

MreeBiPolar · October 11

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa.

Are you sure about that?

The common saying about Daylight-Saving Time is "Spring ahead; fall back."

You move the clock 1 hour ahead of Standard Time when DST begins, such that 6 PM in Standard Time becomes 7 PM in DST.

You move the clock 1 hour back when DST ends, such that 7 PM in DST becomes 6 PM in Standard Time.

So those times don't look backwards to me; they look correct.

Yes, I am sure. When DST (CEST -- Central European Summer Time) ends, the same moment becomes one hour LESS, e.g., what was 18 becomes 17, not 19 as here. Just as you wrote it further down.

(CEST is not "Standard", it's "Summer". You can look it up at any time conversion site. Also, dates are a clue, too. It is still CEST on 21st, but CET on 28th)

Toanis · October 11

Bethesda_DE's tuesday stream usually starts at 19:00 / 7pm german local time.

Thus October 21 will likely start at 17:00 / 5pm UTC and October 28 at 18:00 UTC. Which will be 1pm EDT and 2pm EDT.
So yeah, the October 28 stream starts 1 hour later, but only for viewers in countries that don't follow EU daylight saving.

SeaGtGruff · October 11

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Tuesday, October 21 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (18:00-20:15 CEST)
Tuesday, October 28 at 1pm–3:15pm EDT (19:00-21:15 CET)

... The problem is, 1pm EDT is 19:00 CEST, and 18:00 CET, not vice versa.

Are you sure about that?

The common saying about Daylight-Saving Time is "Spring ahead; fall back."

You move the clock 1 hour ahead of Standard Time when DST begins, such that 6 PM in Standard Time becomes 7 PM in DST.

You move the clock 1 hour back when DST ends, such that 7 PM in DST becomes 6 PM in Standard Time.

So those times don't look backwards to me; they look correct.

Yes, I am sure. When DST (CEST -- Central European Summer Time) ends, the same moment becomes one hour LESS, e.g., what was 18 becomes 17, not 19 as here. Just as you wrote it further down.

(CEST is not "Standard", it's "Summer". You can look it up at any time conversion site. Also, dates are a clue, too. It is still CEST on 21st, but CET on 28th)

I was already aware of "Summer" time, and am even aware that DST can mean "Double Summer Time"-- not a thing today, but something that was observed for a few years during World War II.

Apparently I was still half-asleep when I posted, as I'd stayed up too late and slept too little. For some reason, the numbers looked okay to me when I was posting, although now I see that they're backwards.m

MreeBiPolar · October 11

Toanis wrote: »

Bethesda_DE's tuesday stream usually starts at 19:00 / 7pm german local time.

Thus October 21 will likely start at 17:00 / 5pm UTC and October 28 at 18:00 UTC. Which will be 1pm EDT and 2pm EDT.
So yeah, the October 28 stream starts 1 hour later, but only for viewers in countries that don't follow EU daylight saving.

That's what I want to double-check, because as written on the site, the stream start (1) doesn't follow EU daylight saving, listing fixed time for US, and (2) gets the EU daylight saving backwards...

Toanis · October 11

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

That's what I want to double-check, because as written on the site, the stream start (1) doesn't follow EU daylight saving, listing fixed time for US, and (2) gets the EU daylight saving backwards...

https://www.twitch.tv/bethesda_de/schedule
For the next year, there are steams scheduled every tuesday at 19:00-21:00 german local time. Highly unlikely that they make an exception, what would be the point of having one stream earlier than usual?

Edit:
Meanwhile, the article on the site was changed to 1pm EDT / 18:00 CET on October 28. Pretty sure that's also wrong and the October 28 stream will start at 2pm EDT / 19:00 CET. Still better to start watching an hour too early than an hour too late

SeaGtGruff · October 11

Maybe someone should ping Kai and ask him, since I assume he'll be the one streaming?