SOLO players, the recent poll that Zeni made, made me wonder, how do you feel about subclassing?

Castagere · September 28

I was against it at first. But my two characters had around 30 unused skill points each to play with, so I went for it. My stamina Templar, I got rid of the heal grouping line since I never group and never used one skill from that line ever, and gave him the animal companion line from the warden. Playing a Temp with a bear pet is so fun.
Next was my magic DK. I did the same thing with him, but gave him the Mage Storm Caller line, and wow, that is a blast also. So for this solo-only player, it feels like a real TES game with the freedom to do what I want.

GloatingSwine · September 29

Kendaric wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

I play very much non-meta. I have no issues clearing content. I do have issues getting into most (not all) high-end trial guilds - that is a consequence of ZOS' design that fails to account for MMO player behaviour.

That's on the players though, not really on ZOS. And the possibility to either form your own group and guild always exists...

Again, that's true to a point. But what we have right now is past that point.

Example 1: You and three friends are going to run a relay race. The race organizer allows you to choose your shoes from a list of adidas running shoes, [a brand with a swoosh] running shoes, and Puma running shoes. Your friends all take adidas shoes, and you chose [the brand with the swoosh]. They argue that you should leave because you are not picking the right shoes. You argue that you should be able to pick whatever you want.
That's an example of the group being toxic, since there's not much difference and you can perform just as well either way.

Example 2: You and three friends are going to run a relay race. The race organizer allows you to choose your shoes from a list of adidas running shoes, Louboutin stiletto heels, and ballet pointe shoes. Your friends all take adidas shoes, and you chose the Louboutins. They argue that you should leave because you are not picking the right shoes. You argue that you should be able to pick whatever you want.
That's an example of the race organizer giving a poorly balanced set of choices and you being toxic for petulantly picking something ineffective for the task at hand in spite of your group.

ESO's current balance is closer to Example 2 than Example 1. We have one setup that is leagues ahead of others, and deliberately choosing not to run at your peak efficiency is quite literally griefing your group.

Yes, it should have been more balanced as I've said multiple times myself. And considering how well arcanist performed even before subclassing, I'm going to assume arcanist (not only the beam) is the main problem. It's not even necessary to perfectly balance things which would be impossible anyway.

But asking to rollback subclassing is just wrong and would drive a lot of players away.

The beam really is the problem.

Like there's another way to do Arcanist that actually outperforms the beam at single target DPS in a trial setup based on using Tentacular Dread as the crux spender.

But it's a lot harder to use and not all-cleave-all-the-time, so it isn't as dominant.

Subclassing just made beam be for everyone *and* made it much easier to support beam with the things that Herald of the Tome doesn't already provide like loads of crit and crit damage.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · September 30

I love it! Keep it as is.