Official Discussion Thread for "Cyrodiil Cries Out Again for PvP Vengeance!"

ZOS_Kevin · September 22

This is the official discussion thread for, "Cyrodiil Cries Out Again for PvP Vengeance!"

"Return to the Vengeance PvP campaign to help test newly performant additions, including tweaks to siege weaponry, armor skill lines, and guild skill lines."

LPapirius · September 22

My guild has cancelled daily PvP raid group until the 30th. We'll be back next Tuesday when PvP returns.

Asdara · September 22

Why would you put a pvp event without golden pursuit during the biggest pve event of the year.
I'm not touching that thing

React · September 23

Asdara wrote: »

Why would you put a pvp event without golden pursuit during the biggest pve event of the year.
I'm not touching that thing

Honestly I'm glad they did, it'll be great to see how the population looks during this test without the bait-incentives of pursuits and endeavors bringing in the casual community.

Moonspawn · September 23

React wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Why would you put a pvp event without golden pursuit during the biggest pve event of the year.
I'm not touching that thing

Honestly I'm glad they did, it'll be great to see how the population looks during this test without the bait-incentives of pursuits and endeavors

Three-teams BGs rewards: Daily XP.
Two-teams BGs rewards: Daily XP, endeavors, golden pursuits, battlemaster tokens and obscene amounts of transmutation crystals.

Can you imagine the size of the BG population if players had been given the choice to stay in 4v4v4 and receive the same bait-incentives?

Aylish · September 23

I was happy to participate in the first and second tests when the premise was that it was just a matter of finding out where the performance problems in Cyrodiil were coming from.

At the time, many of us were quite panicked that you wanted to restructure Cyrodiil. Your response was, “Hey, chill. It's just a stress test. We want to know where the performance issues are coming from.”

In the first test, there were almost no performance issues. In the second test, there was much lag, and one might think, “We've found a performance factor. We can use that to get closer to the actual problem.” But still, you continue with the next one and the next one...

By now (and at the latest after the U48 preview stream), it has become more than clear that you ultimately want to rebuild Cyrodiil in Vengeance. And I absolutely do not support that anymore. You have clearly deceived us in this regard.

Vengeance isn't something that gives me more than an hour of enjoyment. I liked Cyrodiil the way it was. My character felt the same way she did outside, and that was great. In Vengeance, she feels wrong to me.

If Vengeance is gonna be the new Cyrodiil, I'm out.

Seyer530 · September 23

Hell no, this playstyle SUCKS! I thought ESO was great because it allows you to totally customize your build and playstyle. What a joke. Please end this ridiculous test NOW so we can all come back to the game we love(d).

diamondo · September 23

I am concerned that there won’t be any real workable data to actually analyse here, subclassing has meant that there’s only ever been at most two bars in cyro for each faction at peak times.

Since vengeance started I’ve had look and there been 0 bars so I’m not sure how this tests out the issues as there are no players stressing the server

xylena_lazarow · September 24

Meatbags are too nerfed, they need the lingering ground AoE to function as area denial against zergs.

Healing in general is too much, the larger zerg stacks heals and can't die, smaller zerg can never catch up largely because their AoE damage cap is stuck at the same 3 targets as the AoE heal cap.

abakzn · September 24

I am now logging on a lot less because I mainly play Campaigns which 100% excludes the deceipt by ESO dressing Vengeance up as a test, it is a total no-no.

Reverb · September 24

I’m in Cyrodiil most nights and I’m really rooting for pvp improvements. But I’m sick of doing vengeance tests.

I got in and the orange color of everything drug me down with the memory of having to rework the skill load outs of every character. Then I remembered that without. The scoreboard nobody cares about playing the map and just faction stacks. I’m just not feeling it this time.

It’s also bad timing to do this as the same time as the Undaunted event.

Just me?

Reverb · September 24

diamondo wrote: »

I am concerned that there won’t be any real workable data to actually analyse here, subclassing has meant that there’s only ever been at most two bars in cyro for each faction at peak times.

Since vengeance started I’ve had look and there been 0 bars so I’m not sure how this tests out the issues as there are no players stressing the server

Can’t really go off the population bars because the pop cap is higher in vengeance.

diamondo · September 24

But should there not be at least one bars worth for each faction even with population increase. I’m not in all day but general peak times eu server.

Iriidius · 8:04PM

Seyer530 wrote: »

Hell no, this playstyle SUCKS! I thought ESO was great because it allows you to totally customize your build and playstyle. What a joke. Please end this ridiculous test NOW so we can all come back to the game we love(d).

You can play Imperial City, Battlegrounds or Duells or improve your build and do next weeks duty’s so you have more time and success when you come back to Cyrodiil next week when Vengeance is over.
Vengeance players have to wait 12 weeks before they can play Vengeance again for 1 week that you also want to take away.

Iriidius · 8:04PM

If player love GreyHost so much it should be more populated after Vengeance because players try to compensate the time they lost. Instead as soon as Greyhost is back they lost all interest to play there blaming it on Vengeance. They also don’t want Vengeance and Grey Host coexisting.
Could it be that haters want end Vengeance to end Vengeance rather than to have one more week of GreyHost? Vengeance haters would probably rather have no Cyrodiil at all than Vengeance for a week because Vengeance allows other players to have fun and success who dont have in GreyHost, shows the unbalance and an alternative.