Battlegrounds, don't follow strict roles like in a traditional PvE dungeon group, builds should be self-sufficient, capable of dealing damage, providing healing , and having survivability. This is why you are not getting a dedicated healer very often.

Personally I like the change of allowing 3v4 / 7v8, I'd rather have an outnumbered match than have spent the time in a queue only for the match to fail.

Even in those lopsided battles you still get alliance points, no for surrender and just try to rack up as many AP as you can in that time. I often have scores that match the top player on the enemy team even in 6-500 matches, so I still get like 70% of the AP I would've gotten anyways. if people could pressure you into surrender by being toxic that'd ruin that style of play.

They'll never add an option to concede. No one would ever finish a match because so few matches are competitive enough to finish. Just got steamrolled in Relic, team had 3 NB's, two tanks and a bomber. Half the team was dead at any given time. Exactly the kind of match a surrender option would be used in.

But a surrender option would mean the winning team doesn't get to play a whole game either. When I'm winning I want to win, giving the losing team an out screws the winner even while giving the stomped another opportunity to queue without deserting. Over here on PSNA the deserter penalty is only 5 minutes, I've read its higher on other servers? So just about every match sees people drop when its obvious its hopeless.

I play almost exclusively 8v8 so missing a teammate isn't a big deal, we love being able to start matches short a player but seems like kinda a bad idea in 4v4.

It'd be nice if they'd listen and bring back 4v4v4.

Ensure this doesn't happen by not starting until all 16 slots are full. Is it 6v8? Move a random player near the top to the losing team. Etc etc.

Razmirra wrote: »

Ensure this doesn't happen by not starting until all 16 slots are full. Is it 6v8? Move a random player near the top to the losing team. Etc etc.

This didn't fix a single thing. These complaints have been there since zos implemented 2 team bgs.

Agreed. But I would add a few conditions to this:
- All 4 or 8 players must agree, kinda like a Ready Check for the "Concede" option to work.
- The "Concede" option is disabled if any one of the players left the game early without going through the "Concede" option (including those who are disconnected unfortunately).

Addressing some other concerns here:
- Players might be incentivized to give up more easily due to still getting rewards for losing (intentionally). Based on my experience, these kinds of players are the first to stand and camp in base the moment things go south or quit outright.
- It might diminish the fun and thrills. "When I'm winning, I wanna win". Well... You did win when the other side concedes/surrenders, unless waiting 2 minutes for the losing team to come down and fight every spawn is fun and thrilling to you.

Just my two cents.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

They should just scrap 2 team BG's all together. It doesn't work with only 2 teams and an unreliable matching system.

3 teams was worse by far

there were many matches i would get in sometimes i would be the only one on the team, so it was a 1v4v4

other times in a 3 team match, i wondered why an enemy team was so absolutely focused on my team and then i check the scoreboard and say team 2 had no players at all on it because they all just left or dc'd

8/10 matches in 3 team land felt like it was really a 2 team match to begin with

im not a huge fan of 4v4 necessarily either, but i do think 8v8 is alright

8v8 is alright, I'd even go so far as to say 8v8 can be really fun when both teams are on point and trying to win and fairly equally skilled.

I play 4v4 when I forget why I don't play 4v4 and then I won't play it again for months until I forget how bad it can be again.

But I loved 4v4v4. You know what three team battlegrounds had that two team lacks?

💥💫💎💛🌎⚡💙⚡🌟🔥🦄🔥🔥🎉✨✨✨VARIETY✨✨✨🔥🔥🔥🌂🌠🚀💖🌍💫💜💫💎💫

Every two team match is basically the same, repetitive a f. With three team you had greater map variety, team composition, strategic options that you don't have in 2 team. The maps by themselves provided more interesting gameplay then what we have currently, never mind the players.

Only guy on your team? No problem! Unless it was DM, then yes, problem. But Relic? Snap it while the other two teams fight. Get the flag on the other side of the map while everyone's fighting somewhere else. I came in 2nd several times alone in 3T.

I miss them. Sigh

Also add the Dungeon Finder role queue, just copy and paste it. Let Tank be whatever people interpret it as. Ever been in a match with 3 healers on each team?