NoSoup wrote: »

To be fair, there were 11 other players that won their match and completed the daily.....

lol
To be fair?
19 games
Not using the same patron.
Not using the same toon
Out of 5 characters
If I stuck with just one of them
Literally only ONE of my 5 characters can complete this daily quest.
IT DEFEATS the point of DAILY QUEST!
It is not even remotely fair that the system drops the cards to certain players constantly!
Especially when I can login to my wifes account and play that exact same player and watch that so called player make the dumbest moves that even the EXPERT NPC player wouldn't make and win right after losing to them on my account.
Her account has exactly 4 patrons and is at the beginner level.
I also can use Tmobile or Starlink while using either account.
Also a fun fact.
When my monthly ESO subscription was paid.
I had a single day where I won every single hand I played no matter who it was.
So I would love to see a spreadsheet of the players who get there GOD DECK handed to them!
However keep telling me how that is FAIR
lol

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I suggest you try ranked mode if you were not already.

Ive been doing nothing but ranked mode since I started playing the game.

It has nothing to do with that.
It is the way the Developers have the algorithms configured.
I do appreciate the considerate words.
I am 20+ year IT vet!
My job has been to document and solve problems.
When I began playing this it was entertaining.
However in the starting quest it clearly stated "just one more game."
This is designed and intended to be incredibly addictive.
Ive tested more than once.
I can use my account and lose 20+ times.
I can login to my wifes account and will win and get a God hand because her player is just starting and has four Patrons.
This happens consistently.
Another interesting fact I find highly entertaining.
If I get in zone chat and complain it is amazing how I in the very next game have an immediate win.
I do not allow it to control me or dominate my day.
I intentionally do the daily crafting writs while waiting for Q.
I will log out even if it says a game is ready to my next toon for there crafting writs.
Frankly it gets very annoying and is a huge turn off to watch the system consistently give a GOD deck to the same players and Ill say it again ID love to see a spreadsheet of what those players put into ESO!

played a hand with the Sorcerer, Druid, Power,
I had several of the Sorcerer Cards
Yet the system drops this player "call on one additional patron nonstop."
When I get a hand that I have Prescience 1 and Prophesy X2 and one Barterer and I am not able to get a single card of call on one extra patron that is crap!
That is an algorithm deciding giving the hand to the other player unfairly!

I also firmly believe there are players using ScriptsOfTribute the AI software or something along those lines is being used by other players. I sit and play this enough that it is very easy to spot when cards start flying across the screen faster than you can see what was taken or played.

Whenever I see people complaining about problems with the RNG in Tales of Tribute and claiming that the game is feeding all of the best cards to their opponents and feeding all of the worst cards to them, it makes me wonder how people envision that even being possible.

The way I envision the RNG working is that the deck is shuffled and the order of the cards is determined at that time, in which case there's no way the game can be deliberately feeding the best cards to one player and the worst cards to the other player, and either player can affect the "rhythm" of the Tavern draws by choosing how many cards to buy from the Tavern during their turn-- including buying no cards at all-- or by how many cards they remove from the Tavern by other means.

The only way I can envision the RNG working the way some players apparently think it works is that the draw piles (for each of the players and for the Tavern) aren't actually determined "up front" by shuffling-- that all of the cards in each of the draw piles just in an unordered "pool" and each card drawn is determined through RNG at the time it is drawn. Otherwise, I don't see how the game could be feeding one player with good cards and feeding the other player with bad cards. And if that is indeed how some people think it works, it doesn't make any sense to me why the devs would program it that way.

So can someone explain how they think it works? I'm genuinely curious.

Adding into this.
Yesterday I was able to complete 4 out of 5 toons daily quest for tales of tribute.
When I went and signed off I was ranked 270.
Today Im having ZERO wins.
This system is so pathetically unbalanced.
correction I won a hand because the other player lost connection.
The very next hand the system again deals cards to ensure the other player wins.
Yesterday I was dealt a God deck for every single hand I played.
This needs to be revamped!

Kappachi wrote: »

skill issue, every season I try I get into rubedite and can score multiple wins a day. you're not planning ahead enough.

So fun fact when I search
Tales of Tribute Ranked @Kappachi
I do not see that name listed.

I call BS!
Explain
1. Yesterday I won every hand and ending rank 270
2. Today Ive been awake since 7 a.m. central.
3. I have not won a single round on my account aside from a player losing connection!
4. I am as of now ranked at 572!
5. In almost every single round I have played I can barely get a score over 10 points MAX!
6. The other player is scoring 40!
7. I've varied the patrons in every conceivable way.
8. Explain how when my ESO subscription renewed I also had a solid day of 100% wins and the very next day I had 100% loss!


Again I can login to my wife's account and start playing with her newbie character with 4 patrons and win or at least score over 10 points!
The logic fits
I have an entire day I win
I have an entire day I flat lose

People prefer to believe a lie than the truth!

Ive said this two times minimum.
I would love to see a spreadsheet of the people I play against who consistently get the GOD decks in terms of what they pay / spend!
What is also interesting and a fact!
I am playing RANKED!
All day yesterday I did not see a single player that beats me they were names ive NEVER seen and have again not seen today!

Bottom line this card game is STACKED or EXTREMELY unbalanced!

Ill gladly wait for a LOGICAL explanation as to why
I have a day I get the GOD DECKS handed to me 100% guaranteed win and no effort!
Then the next day I am watching the so called real life players get the GOD DECKS!
It literally makes the game 100% unpleasant and defeats the point of DAILY quest!
I have 5 toons
Yesterday I was able to complete the daily for 4 out of 5 of the toons!
Today I can not even complete the daily for even one of those 5!

However you keep ignoring facts!

Can someone tell me how many days is it appropriate to go without a win?
Ive now been trying to complete the daily with my main toon for almost a day and a half.
I literally got so tired of trying to win a single hand I just abandoned the quest and completed Wrothgar almost to 100%
Seriously this is not cool!

Amen. My exact same experience. Either I win all day, or I lose all day. There's no balance.

Prophet_of_Malacath wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only way I can envision the RNG working the way some players apparently think it works is that the draw piles (for each of the players and for the Tavern) aren't actually determined "up front" by shuffling-- that all of the cards in each of the draw piles just in an unordered "pool" and each card drawn is determined through RNG at the time it is drawn. Otherwise, I don't see how the game could be feeding one player with good cards and feeding the other player with bad cards. And if that is indeed how some people think it works, it doesn't make any sense to me why the devs would program it that way.

So can someone explain how they think it works? I'm genuinely curious.

EXAMPLE 1:

1. Turn 1 - enemy goes first - they draw 4 gold, 1 power.
2. Treasury puts out 2 Luxury Exports (Hlaalu; costs 2 gold; gives you 3 coin when played) + 3 Expensive Cards.
3. Opponent buys both (no gold wasted) & the game replaces them with 2 more expensive cards.
4. Turn 2 - I've got 5 gold, 1 power & can afford nothing - so I go for a Writ of Coin.
5. Turn 3 - they Writ of Coin.
6. Turn 4 - I can only Writ of Coin again.
7. Cards Shuffle
8. Turn 5 - They get Luxury Exports (3 coin) + 4 Gold (1 coin each). They buy a 7 Gold card.
9. Turn 6 - I get 1 Power + 4 Gold (1 coin each). I can only Writ of Coin.
10. Turn 7 - They get Luxury Exports (3 coin) + 3 Gold + 1 Power. They buy a 6 Gold unit.
11. Turn 8 - I finally see my 2 Writ of Coins from the first 2 rounds, but they're got a massive lead on me from which I will not recover

At that point, there's no catching up. I knew by turn 1 that I was cooked - all that the end of turn 4 confirmed for me was the nature of my demise, not whether or not I'd actually lose.

EXAMPLE 2:
Another thing folks notice is when your own decks don't synergize but theirs does.

1. Ok, enemy has... like 15 cards, 4 Crow, 3 Rajhin, chances of combo are what? My gut knew the chances were low but in hindsight, I can do the math:
2. 5 card hands, 15 possible cards = 3003 combinations
3. Chance to get all 4 Crow (and 1 random) is 11 out of 3003 = 0.366% = 1 out of 273
4. Chance to get all 3 Rajhin (and 2 random) is 66 out of 3003 = 2.20% = 1 out of 45.5 turns. However, to be fair, 5 out of 10 remaining cards is only a 21 out of 252 = 8.33% = 1 out of 12 chance to get 3 Rahjin from what remains.
5. But the combined probability is 11/3003 x 1/12 = 0.000305 or 1 in 3,279.

So the first hand is astronomically unlikely - the second hand merely benefits from the 1st - but since Crow's mechanic is card-draw, that's a stunning combo in which their "trash" is all in the back of their deck & my trash is mixed evenly (ie, no synergies). So with this combo, they knockout your units; buy Red Eagle cards (to clear their upcoming trash); and you're left looking at Saint Pelin guards you can't afford. And this wasn't the only lucky synergy, just the most memorable combo they got, since I gave up any illusion of competing at that point.

So those are 2 methods.

The first, when the opponent gets cheap/valuable cards turn 1 - which snowball them to victory - while everything on your turn is too expensive for you to compete.

A variant, mid-game, is when you opponent buys something - and the filler is too expensive for you to afford; but when you buy something, the filler is always a great card exactly within their price range.

Secondly, when opponents seem to get "1 in 3,279" odd combos that let them lock in even better buys, while you're still lucky if you got 5 gold that round.

Example 1: Yes, theis a horrendous issue from several perspectives. First and foremost though is the issue of balance. There is just no way that Luxury should cost 2. It's the will of the designers to have undercosted cards and they betray their own game by sitting aroudn and doing nothing about it. Some toxic play patterns should just never be allowed no matter what, but here we are.

Example 2: I play alot of Almalexia and have noticed a number of games where the opponent maybe has 2 almalexia cards (the starter card and one purchased card), but then get's both of those cards in their hand ever single time the cooldown pile shuffles to form their new deck. There are even cases where I think I'm safe because an opponent may have 3 cards left in their deck, so the cooldown pile shuffle will only be for 2 additional cards drawn. It's quite annoying when one of those 2 cards ends up being the philanthropy that htey needed to combo off.

Regarding example 2, the drawing of the same card in the hand after a cooldown pile shuffle is definitly something I've noticed in some games happening many consecutive cooldown pile shuffles. That said, I'm probably more likely to be a human bias believer in deciding if the interraction is broken or not. Probably one of the only reasons that I pick up on the opponent getting Almalexia cards every cooldown pile shuffle is because of how annoying waiting for them to choose their discard is. Maybe this is a real issue, but MAYBE I'm noticing an issue where there mostly isn't one.

I hate Tales of Tribute Ive probably had the worst luck possible in these games I should post a few of my games from 6 months ago.

ToT is optional.

You can choose not to play it, like the vast majority of us already do.

I can't remember who posted it, but they summed it up perfectly. "People don't build computers that cost thousands of dollars to play card games." (may or may not be an exact quote)

ToddIngram wrote: »

ToT is optional.

You can choose not to play it, like the vast majority of us already do.

I can't remember who posted it, but they summed it up perfectly. "People don't build computers that cost thousands of dollars to play card games." (may or may not be an exact quote)

For some reason, that reminds me of the old marketing strategies of certain computer brands back in the day. I can't give you any actual quotes, but the way I remember it is that they were essentially denigrating their competitors' computers as gaming devices. Don't buy one of their computers, buy one of ours, so you can do business on it. Nevermind that there was business software available for their lowly competitors' computers, and nevermind that there were games available for their own. After a few years, their marketing shifted when they realized why a lot of people wanted to buy computers in the first place: Look at all these great games that are available for our computers!

Those of us who enjoy playing Tales of Tribute and other card games on our desktop computers, laptops, tablets, phones, or even televisions do not play card games and only card games for on them, and we don't buy them just to play games. But as far as how much some computers cost, I'll bet that most consumers who are willing to spend thousands of dollars on a new computer are wanting to play games on it. Does it matter whether they're playing card games some of the time? A game is a game.

Edited for typo and clarity.