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Spearhead scrap and Heavily played card drop rate?
DinoZavr
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Dear fellow players, please, help me to solve the math problem:
doing Kishka's ToT dailies forty days in a row i have got 40 purple and 120 green reward boxes, and opening them all found zero Spearhead Scraps.
the Achievement "Memories of the Spearhead" requires player to collect ten Spearhead Scraps.
given the drop rate, how many days it would take me to fulfill the said Achievement, doing win vs 3 NPCs ToT dailies every day?
the original thread with the same name was just closed as irrelevant, though i doubt anything has changed.
and, of course, i have several yet unanswered questions, this is why i would like to return this thread.
1) what was your Spearhead Scraps drop rate? How many days it took you to unlock Captain Kaleen?
2) should i play ToT in Necrom City, or with Almalexia desk, or both, because the Achievement is not "ToT", but "Necrom"?
3) i don't get any Spearhead Scraps, Heavily played cards, and Pelin's/Frandar's style pages. What do i miss? 160 boxes are not a few, and 40 days are not a minute.
4) are the drops of Spearhead Scraps, and Heavily played cards level restricted? (i have just got ToT Rank 5 on a new account)
or should i gave to collect ALL the clues, before achievement fragments start to drop? Or some other limitations i am not aware about?
i have permanent access to both High Isle and Necrom DLC. and puzzled/upset by the math i have asked your kind to help me to solve. Thank you.
TL/DR; how long?
doing Kishka's ToT dailies forty days in a row i have got 40 purple and 120 green reward boxes, and opening them all found zero Spearhead Scraps.
the Achievement "Memories of the Spearhead" requires player to collect ten Spearhead Scraps.
given the drop rate, how many days it would take me to fulfill the said Achievement, doing win vs 3 NPCs ToT dailies every day?
the original thread with the same name was just closed as irrelevant, though i doubt anything has changed.
and, of course, i have several yet unanswered questions, this is why i would like to return this thread.
1) what was your Spearhead Scraps drop rate? How many days it took you to unlock Captain Kaleen?
2) should i play ToT in Necrom City, or with Almalexia desk, or both, because the Achievement is not "ToT", but "Necrom"?
3) i don't get any Spearhead Scraps, Heavily played cards, and Pelin's/Frandar's style pages. What do i miss? 160 boxes are not a few, and 40 days are not a minute.
4) are the drops of Spearhead Scraps, and Heavily played cards level restricted? (i have just got ToT Rank 5 on a new account)
or should i gave to collect ALL the clues, before achievement fragments start to drop? Or some other limitations i am not aware about?
i have permanent access to both High Isle and Necrom DLC. and puzzled/upset by the math i have asked your kind to help me to solve. Thank you.
TL/DR; how long?
PC EU
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Maybe you need to be going for the Gold boxes.
@ZOS_Kevin , can you please follow up with the team about this one? We have asked before about the TOT collectibles, but to no avail. It's a pretty frequent frustration that players have and it's realistic to think that something is bugged with the drop since those bugs have been happening in recent memory.
It's also the case that the reward structure in TOT has changed. I don't really understand why Expert NPC players give me the same reward box as when I defeat a real player, but regardless, maybe there was some kind of unintended consequence of the change that players are experiencing.0 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Acquire and use 10 Scraps of the Spearhead's Colors, acquired from Tales of Tribute match rewards."
The achievements should really tell people exactly what they need to do.1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭fall0athboy wrote: »I really do wonder if you can only get these after getting all the clues?
If so, then that would have been a change that was made. I got them while not having all clues. I actually have and keep clues that I never plan to dig up in my inventory.1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭fall0athboy wrote: »Why not upgrade?
Here is an example. I upgraded Runes of the Draoife to Vestments of the Druid King.
I'm incentivized to play Druid King because I like some of the cards and play that it offers when going second.
That said, because I upgraded Runes of the Draoife, sometimes my opponent just get's a turn one Vestments of the Druid King and they spank me. Vestments is way stronger, it's a great turn one option, and I get randomly spanked by it.
If I had never upgraded Runes of the Draoife, then I wouldn't be randomly losing these games where I go second and the opponents get's the "I win" button of Vestments on their first turn when there is no counterplay.
That's why you don't upgrade cards. Unless you have a strategic reason to do something, it's always better to not do that thing. And that is especially so in this case because there is no way to undo the upgrade. My main account is ruined, from a TOT optimization perspective, because I made this dumb error. Don't be like me.1 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭what to upgrade in my humble opinion is a matter of personal preference.
Icy just closed the old thread regarding this certain topic: how long does it take to gather 10 Spearhead scraps.
There was no certain answer: like it took me 2 weeks, or 3 month, or whatever - only the advice just to keep playing
(just in case: old thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8238657)
@jaws343 said 1:10 (per purple boxes)
@bobsontpm said 1:60
i got 0:41 so far (also started doing one golden coffer a day), and got no responses like: i have completed the Achievement playing approx this number of games every day (and Captain Kaleen is housegiesting in my Autumns Gate (for example)). Ten games are, at least, the statistics.
Also, players could pinpoint some patterns or rules in drops (like clues may completely replace fragments in them drop tables, or significantly decrease fragments drop rate).
What is confirmed: fragments drop from any containers except white, and that clues do not replace fragments.
What baffles me is that Developers establishing some certain drop rate were hoping players will play more and longer,
but what they probably mispredicted is the boundary where "very long time" becomes "too grindy to worth my time", which, of course, deincentivize.
Of course, this boundary varies a plenty for different individuals, though what i look for is like:
"on average 4 months playing 4 games a day" or something similar. It would really help to decide if i should chase the Achievement of just ignore it, because i dont have that much time.
The ToT game is at least 3 minutes (both spamming Orgnum), though normally 10+ or even more minutes when you play against human (especially the one deliberately delaying theirs moves to make you concede), so there is a limitation of how many games you can play a day.
What Devs could do is just to and more untradeable items to drops logics. Like RNG determined to drop a clue, run RNG one more time for another bound item like fragment. (furnishing plans and style pages are tradeable). This could make Achievements.. how to put this?.. Achievable?PC EU0 -
fall0athboy✭✭✭✭what to upgrade in my humble opinion is a matter of personal preference.
Icy just closed the old thread regarding this certain topic: how long does it take to gather 10 Spearhead scraps.
There was no certain answer: like it took me 2 weeks, or 3 month, or whatever - only the advice just to keep playing
(just in case: old thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8238657)
@jaws343 said 1:10 (per purple boxes)
@bobsontpm said 1:60
i got 0:41 so far (also started doing one golden coffer a day), and got no responses like: i have completed the Achievement playing approx this number of games every day (and Captain Kaleen is housegiesting in my Autumns Gate (for example)). Ten games are, at least, the statistics.
Also, players could pinpoint some patterns or rules in drops (like clues may completely replace fragments in them drop tables, or significantly decrease fragments drop rate).
What is confirmed: fragments drop from any containers except white, and that clues do not replace fragments.
What baffles me is that Developers establishing some certain drop rate were hoping players will play more and longer,
but what they probably mispredicted is the boundary where "very long time" becomes "too grindy to worth my time", which, of course, deincentivize.
Of course, this boundary varies a plenty for different individuals, though what i look for is like:
"on average 4 months playing 4 games a day" or something similar. It would really help to decide if i should chase the Achievement of just ignore it, because i dont have that much time.
The ToT game is at least 3 minutes (both spamming Orgnum), though normally 10+ or even more minutes when you play against human (especially the one deliberately delaying theirs moves to make you concede), so there is a limitation of how many games you can play a day.
What Devs could do is just to and more untradeable items to drops logics. Like RNG determined to drop a clue, run RNG one more time for another bound item like fragment. (furnishing plans and style pages are tradeable). This could make Achievements.. how to put this?.. Achievable?
That's exactly it: Earning these things is taking way too long to be worth my time. I'm still in the grind to get to Master rank, and I still need to earn High Roller but there's no way in hell I'm going to waste my time on the fragments.0 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What is confirmed: fragments drop from any containers except white, and that clues do not replace fragments.
The time table when those confirmations happened is also important. It's important because match loot has been changed. So even if confirmation has happened with each color box, it's possible that maybe the boxes contents can change from patch to patch. It's not as likely for what's in the boxes to change, maybe, but then again there is this problem of the collectibles not dropping as much as they used to and that must be explained somehow.0 -
MorphixxxSoul ShrivenI farmed those for a few weeks now...
Not any drop at all from many golden/purple boxes.
In the past i got some drops, like when Necrom was released.
I wanted to finish it bur it fells like it is bugged now and do not drop at all.1 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭well.. we need statistics. just for science i re-started ToT dailes on my good reliable PC/EU account which is rubedite with all desks (except Gold Road one).. but only 4 days - no drops, while PC/NA toon got no fragments after 3 NPC + 1 ranked games. i'd continue for 36 more days and if at that time ICyIC would not terminate this thread will report the results,
though i also suspect drop tables are bugged.PC EU2 -
GlruffoloSoul ShrivenI did the Tribute dailies on 2 characters for about a month and never got a Scrap or a Heavily played card.
I have since taken a break from tribute to an extent... To get the maximum reward (gold) box for beating other players is just way to time consuming especially as you rank up and face increased difficulty of other players.
I did complete a player vs NPC daily just yesterday just to see and finally got 1 heavily player tribute card from the purple reward box.
But even if you do this daily on multiple characters a day, it is still a bit unrewarding for the time invested.
The drop rate on the Heavily played tribute cards and Spearhead Scraps seems incredibly low for the time required.
I am hoping they can adjust the drop rate to be a bit more rewarding. Or tie in Tales of Tribute into more holiday/ seasonal events that help the cause a bit more.Edited by Glruffolo on February 4, 2025 7:31AM1 -
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✭✭✭I finally got my 10th scrap. I think it took over 6 months. And, wouldn't you know it, I got TWO on the last drop, meaning the game gave me a worthless 11th scrap. But of course1 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
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i posted my two(four) moths stats in another topic
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8275077#Comment_8275077
i was not playing ToT a lot, as my gaming time is rather limited - because i work in the office 9-18
and have only several hours to kill my time in ESO in the evenings at home.
@El_Borracho congratz!PC EU2 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@DinoZavr Thanks dude!
I will say this, something in the drop rate changed in the last 2 months because I got 4 in that time frame, which includes #11. Now, I was doing the daily almost every day, the PVP and Cards Across the Continent. I got the scraps from the GREEN rewards from Cards Across the Continent. None from purple or above. So frustrating2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »DinoZavr Thanks dude!
I will say this, something in the drop rate changed in the last 2 months because I got 4 in that time frame, which includes #11. Now, I was doing the daily almost every day, the PVP and Cards Across the Continent. I got the scraps from the GREEN rewards from Cards Across the Continent. None from purple or above. So frustrating
Good to know. I will try some NPC dailies.
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GlruffoloSoul Shriven@Glruffolo
i posted my two(four) moths stats in another topic
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8275077#Comment_8275077
i was not playing ToT a lot, as my gaming time is rather limited - because i work in the office 9-18
and have only several hours to kill my time in ESO in the evenings at home.
@El_Borracho congratz!
Awesome, Thank You for sharing! I've since just stopped trying and took a break from ToT. I may try and pick it back up in to make another run. I need 2 Heavily played Cards and 9 Spear Scraps still.
I am still hoping they do adjust the drop rate in the future. It's probably the most tedious achievement aside from the last 3 DLC Trial trifectas.1 -
dcrush✭✭✭✭✭I’ve played 60+ ToT matches and got ZERO of these fragments. This is ridiculous. This has got to be bugged or the drop rate is so atrociously low that it’s an insult to the players.
@ZOS_Kevin can you please confirm if this is working as intended? As you can see many players are facing this issue.1 -
Deserrick✭✭✭100 gold boxes, and about the same for the other colors, resulted in 3 of each fragment.0
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dcrush✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin is there a reason these aren’t treated the same way as public dungeon collectables? High drop chance the first time you open a container on a day, severely reduced after that?
I have not had a single drop in three months of playing ToT regularly.2 -
GeneralGrundmann✭✭✭I quote myself from another thread:
"I recently completed (almost) everything of Tales of Tribute.
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Spearhead Scraps and Heavily Played Tribute cards dropped before Update 46 from red and gold rewards for me, doing also pvp-dailies for the gold reward with three characters.
Since update 46, I already had seven Spearhead Scraps und six Heavily Played tribute cards, these two cards started to drop from gold rewards only!
I started to play with all my 13 characters the npc-dailies and the pvp-dailies for approximately two months and got one single drop for each played week from gold rewards only.
-That's 91 gold rewards a week for ONE single drop!-
I got the three missing spearhead cards first and later the four missing Heavily Played tribute cards in that order, seemed to be curated but might be by chance, don't know.
Everything else, Psijic clothes, other clothes, tapestries small and large, dropped from every kind of reward level, even green rewards.
But, the Spearhead Scraps and the Heavily Played tribute cards, since update 46, at least for me, they dropped from golden rewards only."Edited by GeneralGrundmann on September 4, 2025 5:39AM0