Amnesty for the players!

Munkfist · August 20

I definitely disagree with an amnesty. That's just too broad giving how many people may have been banned, for how many different offenses.

An appeal could be made after x amount of time, and based on behavior. If you're just committing the same offenses on other accounts, absolutely not. That is the justice system at work.

If you've been banned, multiple times for the same offense, I think that's a personal problem and should not even be considered for appeal, let alone amnesty.

I have more time in PVP than I do in PVE, don't be petty and you'll never have to worry.

Freelancer_ESO · August 20

If all of an individual's violations of the rules have been in the same context and the individual has logged enough violations to be banned multiple times it suggests to me that the individual isn't likely putting in serious effort to change.

This is especially true if the individual in question is making excuses to justify their behavior rather than taking accountability for their actions.

Lumenn · August 20

One of the biggest things keeping new players from pvp isnt combat, it's the toxic reputation. Due to EQ pvp and corpse camping, I had NO interest in ESO pvp, even with vigor as a carrot simply because everyone "knows" that where the worst of the worst go to grief others. Not combat...grief.

Forum and game moderation are different, and perhaps I've been lucky in my 10 years I've had no issue with game moderation. I know wrongful bans have happened, just neither myself nor any of my friends(that I know of) have had issue with it. Banned once? Maybe. Appeal it. Multiple times, I'd vote no amnesty.

Pvp should be sportsmanlike. As someone who's been involved in combat sports and competitions all my life(competing, and when too old kids and grandkids) I've seen even 10 year olds show class and dignity. It's a shame that kind of self respect and respect for others seems to be dwindling down so much. If you truly wish to bring more skeptics to pvp, work to change the reputation. Share builds and advice. Tactics.

We dont replace weeds after removing them, and we shouldn't give amnesty to "justly" banned players, especially repeat offenders.

valenwood_vegan · August 20

Sounds to me like the real issue here is that players who have been banned repeatedly can endlessly keep making new accounts.

fizzybeef · August 20

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

you dont have the right audience for these kind of threads here

this

MorallyBipolar · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties. I believe that this would be a good move for ZOS, considering that the PvP segment is gradually losing players.

And I have a good reason for this request. On this account, I often record gameplay. And for 580cp, I have more than 10 recordings with teabagingom on me. Naturally, I didn't complain about them or ask for a ban. But let's imagine that I did. Just from my case, you would have to ban more than 10 players, and some of them would receive permanent bans. PVP would lose 10 players. In my opinion, this is not good for the game. PVP itself requires players to be forgiven for their behavior and allowed to return to the game. And This action will also create free advertising and attract some new players to TESO.

Given the technical condition of pvp (especially BG) and the casual attitude of many players who do not want to understand that, for example, 4x4 is a competitive mode. It would be an honest, healthy and humane step on the part of ZOS. Especially considering that the system of complaints and permanent bans is not very humane in itself. Especially in pvp zones.

I also want to clarify that I am only talking about players who have been punished in PvP zones. I have never engaged in conflicts in dungeons or any other PvE zones, and you will not find any conflict history on my accounts outside of PvP. However, PvP is PvP, and it requires either a relaxation of the rules or at least occasional amnesties. Otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, the outflow of players will exceed the inflow.

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game. As for me, I would like to get my main account back with a cool house, horses, and fully open equipment slots xD

@ZOS_Kevin , @ZOS_Icy , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_GregoryV Please take note of this post and request and submit it for review.

And a few words for the fans of the "player complaint" button. As I mentioned above, you won't find any stories of my confrontations in PvE zones. In my opinion, if you spend less than 50% of your time in the game on PvP, and if you enter for example to 4x4 match completely unprepared, just to gain daily experience, I believe it's completely immoral for you to even look at this button in PvP zones. This is because it's mostly clicked on by casual players who spend very little time in PvP.

Thank you in advance to everyone who will support this post.

A better plan would be to stop doing the things that are getting you banned.

frogthroat · August 20

colossalvoids wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

in the real world when you break the law and go to jail you lose property and money, usually to pay restitution. seems reasonable to me that when you are banned from the game that you lose access to in game property and money. you pay restitution..

In the real world the punishment should fit the crime.

If you show your middle finger to someone, no matter how annoying that is, you should not lose your property and your money.

Teabagging is pretty much the same in the virtual world.

You're not an owner of anything here, it's a licensing. Virtually you're renting an apartment, flipping someone off the balcony and owner decides to revoke your access based on your actions no matter how much you've spent or willing to spend, that's their right and it's there in user agreement. If it's repeated offense you're loosing it all, seems absolutely fair if someone can't learn the expected behaviour and proceeds violations.

Odd clip there. I did mention "The current rule where it is allowed, but if someone asks you to stop you should stop is sufficient in my opinion." and that is pretty relevant. If OP has continued after being requested to stop (whatever they were doing), then that is harassment. And in such case it doesn't really matter what it was OP was doing. You presented a similar sentiment with the "If it's repeated..." so it is odd you felt you needed to clip that part.

The way OP presented the issue was a form of revenge, and not legitimate reports where OP was continuing after being asked to stop and thus crossing the line to harassment. So, giving the benefit of doubt, the punishment does seem harsh.

I don't know where you are but in Europe the owner cannot kick you out of your rental if you flip someone off from the balcony. It takes much more than that. But that is not important, as you might notice I was responding to someone continuing their analogy.

If OP has been harassing other players, continuing after being asked to stop -- and have done it repeatedly even on new accounts, then, good riddance. And perhaps hit OP with ban evasion on this newest account as well.

But if it is as OP says, reports were a form of revenge, then this is quite a harsh thing to do.

My point was, and continues to be, the punishment should fit the crime.

Renato90085 · August 20

I mean,first time ban maybe is Zos wrong
but 4-5time...?
how can you got many ban?

Enjay_Jones · August 20

PureeEvil wrote: »

Since I am a candidate for the title of the most banned player in TESO (this is my 4th or 5th account), and these bans were not always justified, but often were a form of PvP revenge. Despite this, I remain a dedicated TESO player. I would like to propose an amnesty for players who have been banned for violating the PvP code of conduct. (I'm not suggesting that bans should be lifted for players who violated the monetization rules, used cheats, or violated the rules of conduct outside of PvP zones)

Even the most terrible, greedy, and bloody dictators eventually granted amnesties. I believe that this would be a good move for ZOS, considering that the PvP segment is gradually losing players.

And I have a good reason for this request. On this account, I often record gameplay. And for 580cp, I have more than 10 recordings with teabagingom on me. Naturally, I didn't complain about them or ask for a ban. But let's imagine that I did. Just from my case, you would have to ban more than 10 players, and some of them would receive permanent bans. PVP would lose 10 players. In my opinion, this is not good for the game. PVP itself requires players to be forgiven for their behavior and allowed to return to the game. And This action will also create free advertising and attract some new players to TESO.

Given the technical condition of pvp (especially BG) and the casual attitude of many players who do not want to understand that, for example, 4x4 is a competitive mode. It would be an honest, healthy and humane step on the part of ZOS. Especially considering that the system of complaints and permanent bans is not very humane in itself. Especially in pvp zones.

I also want to clarify that I am only talking about players who have been punished in PvP zones. I have never engaged in conflicts in dungeons or any other PvE zones, and you will not find any conflict history on my accounts outside of PvP. However, PvP is PvP, and it requires either a relaxation of the rules or at least occasional amnesties. Otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, the outflow of players will exceed the inflow.

I suggest that all PvP players support this post. We will all benefit if at least a few players return to the game. As for me, I would like to get my main account back with a cool house, horses, and fully open equipment slots xD

@ZOS_Kevin , @ZOS_Icy , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_GregoryV Please take note of this post and request and submit it for review.

And a few words for the fans of the "player complaint" button. As I mentioned above, you won't find any stories of my confrontations in PvE zones. In my opinion, if you spend less than 50% of your time in the game on PvP, and if you enter for example to 4x4 match completely unprepared, just to gain daily experience, I believe it's completely immoral for you to even look at this button in PvP zones. This is because it's mostly clicked on by casual players who spend very little time in PvP.

Thank you in advance to everyone who will support this post.

Absolutely not.

ZOS_GregoryV · August 20

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