3 bars of afk & questers in cyrodiil, nice pvp event

Xarc · July 27

gj zos.

whitecrow · July 27

Where are these three bars, I would like to hang out at them.

Elsonso · July 27

Not me! I always go to the one with no bars when I want to go afk or quest.

Minimizes the risk that a PVPer will come along.

ESO_player123 · July 27

Elsonso wrote: »

Not me! I always go to the one with no bars when I want to go afk or quest.

Minimizes the risk that a PVPer will come along.

I always go on a toon that belongs to the alliance that holds Bruma. And yes, the less bars the better.

moo_2021 · July 27

whitecrow wrote: »

Where are these three bars, I would like to hang out at them.

There were bunches in IC on PC-EU. Players standing on bases above, not supporting their alliance or doing anything.

Please come and turn them into fireworks

Lumenn · July 27

I see that a lot Xbox na(AD) makes me almost wish for the pve cyro they want so bad after I waited 40 minutes in the que.

Islyn · July 28

I am doing things - just not in group with rude people. So much toxic blah blah in zone - hard pass grouping with that mess.

Xarc · July 28

I said 3 bars, because most of the time servers arent full, this year.

Major_Mangle · July 28

ZOS should close campaigns after the first week if they see that they aren't full or closed to being locked. We don't need this many campaigns.

licenturion · July 29

Major_Mangle wrote: »

ZOS should close campaigns after the first week if they see that they aren't full or closed to being locked. We don't need this many campaigns.

Yes we do. It is pretty helpful to complete my sticker book with extra rewards, if the lower population campaigns have a full fast travel network available for each color.

ZOS supports all play styles and I am thankful for that. They won’t change it.

Thumbless_Bot · July 29

Xarc wrote: »

gj zos.

2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...

Gj zos..

Vaqual · July 29

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

gj zos.

2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...

Gj zos..

Yes, shame gankers and questers into repairing walls. How can they not see what PvP is all about?

Xarc · July 29

i'm sorry but,
i do not consider someone taking a flag at bruma or cropsford is doing quest.

Ingenon · July 29

Major_Mangle wrote: »

ZOS should close campaigns after the first week if they see that they aren't full or closed to being locked. We don't need this many campaigns.

I think ZOS should keep the campaigns open for the entire event so that players who want to do quests at Cropsford, like someone mentioned above in their post, have one or more "not full" campaigns to get their tickets and event style page without being ganked all the time as was also posted above.

Separately, if the PvP activity is only filling one campaign, maybe ZOS should convert one of the other ones into a Vengeance campaign. I would participate in the Vengeance campaign and play in a group or alongside a group that was going around capturing keeps/towns/resources.

twisttop138 · July 29

Xarc wrote: »

i'm sorry but,
i do not consider someone taking a flag at bruma or cropsford is doing quest.

Don't think that's what they meant by questers at Cropsford. I do something similar. I hear in, find out which faction holds Bruma and get on that faction in an empty campaign. I then get my quests done, get my tickets and maybe do some more quests. Those folks sure do need a lot of extra clothes and water. If I get killed while doing it, whatever. It's a pvp area. I'm not gonna cry about it. You wanna farm people doing quests, they did sign up for that by entering but not a lot of good pvp there id imagine. Don't see lots of quest people flipping flags or looking for a good D tick.

Now, if someone says in zone chat that they've got a group and wanna go hit a keep or something, I'm game for that but I'm gonna assume all the real pvp is in Grey host.

licenturion · July 29

twisttop138 wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

i'm sorry but,
i do not consider someone taking a flag at bruma or cropsford is doing quest.

Don't think that's what they meant by questers at Cropsford. I do something similar. I hear in, find out which faction holds Bruma and get on that faction in an empty campaign. I then get my quests done, get my tickets and maybe do some more quests. Those folks sure do need a lot of extra clothes and water. If I get killed while doing it, whatever. It's a pvp area. I'm not gonna cry about it. You wanna farm people doing quests, they did sign up for that by entering but not a lot of good pvp there id imagine. Don't see lots of quest people flipping flags or looking for a good D tick.

Now, if someone says in zone chat that they've got a group and wanna go hit a keep or something, I'm game for that but I'm gonna assume all the real pvp is in Grey host.

True.

I also was doing quests in IC and Cyro during the events and the people running around from other factions left each-other alone. The additional campaigns are good for that.

I run away or don’t fight back if someone attacks me. And if they kill me I just zap back to the shrine and continue my quests. If they want a kill, they can have it, but I will not give them a fun competitive PvP engagement from trying to gank people at quests NPC’s.

BXR_Lonestar · July 29

Honestly, server performance is so bad this event that I can't blame them. I was in EG the other day with barely a bar population for the opponents, zero bars for everyone else, and I was still getting massive frame rate drop and rubber banding. Its hard to play PVP like this.

LadyGP · July 29

What drives me insane is that cyro is so dead... and there is still a 2 hour queue to get in. Zos needs to fix the AFK macro people just standing around behind the gate or in keeps just randomly jumping or light attacking every 30 seconds. Not sure how this is still a thing so many years into this game. @ZOS_Kevin any chance we can get this on the backlog?

Xarc · July 29

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Honestly, server performance is so bad this event that I can't blame them. I was in EG the other day with barely a bar population for the opponents, zero bars for everyone else, and I was still getting massive frame rate drop and rubber banding. Its hard to play PVP like this.

Server performances are good for me , to be honnest. But i'm playing on Ravenwatch.

I like Ravenwatch since it's like BG, full sets but no cp, and no lag even with zerg. There's no ballgroup here, that's why.
It's actually 2 factions campaign, sadly. And blue never get locked pop.

I think ZOS should really work on PVE players in Cyrodiil:
- There should be a PVE mode (for quests) and it should be immune to PVP. A bit like in the Imperial City.
- PVE players shouldn't count towards the server's PVP population, even if it means reducing it to leave about fifteen slots per faction for PVE.
- PVE players wouldn't be able to capture flags or castles, etc.

I know there's been this "big risk, big reward" mentality for 11 years, but over all these years, we've seen that it only leads to frustration on both sides...
PvE players look for empty servers to do their quests and explore, and PvP players either kill them shamelessly or are frustrated to see 3 population bars but no one to capture castles with.

Four_Fingers · July 29

Real simple, make earning tickets based on number of PvP kills, not PvE quests in PvP events.

Versalium · July 29

No bars is good. I can peacefully mind my own business without being bothered.

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Real simple, make earning tickets based on number of PvP kills, not PvE quests in PvP events.

Yeah, thanks, then I won't even go there and will have to skip the event entirely.

Diundriel · July 29

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Real simple, make earning tickets based on number of PvP kills, not PvE quests in PvP events.

I am D*T and I approve this message xD
i mean bots getting farmed one way or another, but atleast that way we dont have to search for them in towns

aetherix8 · July 29

Xarc wrote: »

I think ZOS should really work on PVE players in Cyrodiil:
- There should be a PVE mode (for quests) and it should be immune to PVP. A bit like in the Imperial City.
- PVE players shouldn't count towards the server's PVP population, even if it means reducing it to leave about fifteen slots per faction for PVE.
- PVE players wouldn't be able to capture flags or castles, etc.

If the PvP population were healthy, there wouldn't be no need to work on PvE players. People are afk and questing en masse in towns so much because there are not enough PuG leaders. Too few people want to lead all this 'lfg' folk and so the door to PvP, namely PvD, is shut for players new to Cyrodiil.

aslan06 · July 29

Not to mention that unless you're an immortal tank, might as well not come pvp at all.

Xarc · July 29

aslan06 wrote: »

Not to mention that unless you're an immortal tank, might as well not come pvp at all.

there's many immortal tank in pvp but a lot dont know how to kill a decent player.

Conversely, PvP needs healers and support, but everyone wants to make kills and rushes towards the slightest guy with reduced health, like dead of starvation, people doing 10x1 a solo dude but cant 1vs1 him...

RebornV3x · July 29

Its telling how bad pvp is in this game when you have 3 bars and players are actively trying to avoid pvp in a zone where pvp happens during a PVP focused event. Sad that PVP is in such a bad state that players don't want to interact with it.

Vulkunne · July 30

Was in Cyrodiil the other day and basically, I spent that time questing and high-fived at least a dozen people from different factions. Everyone got along great and there was for the most part no fighting going on between us.

The rest of it was DC bombers killing everyone else, one-shotting folks at full mitigation (or more), so there's no point in trying to even bother with that. Had a lot of fun questing, met some new friends from AD. Nice folks.

Thumbless_Bot · July 30

Vaqual wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

gj zos.

2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...

Gj zos..

Yes, shame gankers and questers into repairing walls. How can they not see what PvP is all about?

Not shaming. Just stating facts. These events are aimed at exposing pve players to pvp to drum up sustained interest in pvp. To elaborate on my summary above, it is likely very difficult to be interested in staying and / or returning to something as toxic as what I described above if you aren’t a sweat already.

Zos can't (or won't) fix the issues. Instead they come up with vengeance so three different barbarian hordes can spam limited skills on each other until the math calculation completes and the largest team wins.

This watered down cyro will be fun for two weeks and then everyone, sweats and all, will move on to things that are more interesting, complex and fun.

Vaqual · July 30

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

gj zos.

2 bars on each faction is at cropsford running quests. .5 bar of people who gain a sense of self-esteem by ganking those 2 bars while they're turning in quests in cropsford and .5 bars of the regular pvp crowd sitting on a wall wondering how this is healthy for cyro and pvp in general...

Gj zos..

Yes, shame gankers and questers into repairing walls. How can they not see what PvP is all about?

Not shaming. Just stating facts. These events are aimed at exposing pve players to pvp to drum up sustained interest in pvp. To elaborate on my summary above, it is likely very difficult to be interested in staying and / or returning to something as toxic as what I described above if you aren’t a sweat already.

Zos can't (or won't) fix the issues. Instead they come up with vengeance so three different barbarian hordes can spam limited skills on each other until the math calculation completes and the largest team wins.

This watered down cyro will be fun for two weeks and then everyone, sweats and all, will move on to things that are more interesting, complex and fun.

I don't agree really. No offense intended, but this is just an opinion presented as a fact. Getting ganked while questing is the perfect hero/villain arc starter. These small scale skirmishes with poor gankers were a million times more attractive than the keep grind was for me as a noob. Just as completing quests with a pulse of 180 is something only Cyro and IC offer. For me questing (as a newbie) and ganking was much more straightforward and fun than zerging, ball groups and repairing stuff.
While the game clearly has glaring balancing issues, people playing Cyro wrong is hardly the problem. Zerging and green points just isn't attractive enough to sell the Cyro play style for some, and in the end no one has to login to play for someone elses entertainment. And if I end up in a quester and ganker filled campgain I might even have more fun than in a regular campaign.

Koshka · July 30

RebornV3x wrote: »

Its telling how bad pvp is in this game when you have 3 bars and players are actively trying to avoid pvp in a zone where pvp happens during a PVP focused event. Sad that PVP is in such a bad state that players don't want to interact with it.

Yeah...
Well, to be fair, the power gap between casuals and sweats is extremely high now. Regular players have no chance of hurting organized groups, even if they outnumber their opponents.
It also doesn't help that organized groups do not seem to fight each other anymore? Idk, I don't really pvp outside of the events anymore, but whenever I saw ball groups of different alliances, they just farmed casuals without attacking each other.
All of that creates an atmosphere that unfortunately makes pvp unappealing not just to casuals, but to most players. You can't really get into pvp anymore, unless your friends are pvpers and are willing to teach you.
This is really sad, I think that ESO had a lot of potential as a pvp mmo.

ShadowPaladin · July 30

Koshka wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Its telling how bad pvp is in this game when you have 3 bars and players are actively trying to avoid pvp in a zone where pvp happens during a PVP focused event. Sad that PVP is in such a bad state that players don't want to interact with it.

Yeah...
Well, to be fair, the power gap between casuals and sweats is extremely high now. Regular players have no chance of hurting organized groups, even if they outnumber their opponents.
It also doesn't help that organized groups do not seem to fight each other anymore? Idk, I don't really pvp outside of the events anymore, but whenever I saw ball groups of different alliances, they just farmed casuals without attacking each other.
All of that creates an atmosphere that unfortunately makes pvp unappealing not just to casuals, but to most players. You can't really get into pvp anymore, unless your friends are pvpers and are willing to teach you.
This is really sad, I think that ESO had a lot of potential as a pvp mmo.

Koshka is right.

During this event I am a bit more active in PvP and I am seeing it - as always in PvP.

2-3 players nuking 12, 18 or even 24 players over and over again. Those other players trying - even in organized groups - to kill those 2-3 players without success. With such a power gap there is absolutely no fun what so ever for casuals to join PvP. Its more like the fun is 1000% taken out of it

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The same thing with those small ball-groups rushing through keep fights and killing everything in their way, but not being killed even if outnumbered 1 to 5 and spammed with dozen of sieg weapons.
Or those 2-4 players playing the *Resource-Tower-Troll-Game*. Same thing.

As long as there are those huge gaps and no way to compensate them, there won't be many new PvP'ers.