Arcanist Banner Bearer.

Gendizer · July 22

I'll never cease to be amazed by ZOS's logic. The bonus that makes almost every DPS play as an Arcanist has been made even stronger. You're on the right track, comrades.

Vonnegut2506 · July 22

They changed the passive crux generation to a small ultimate generation if a crux already exists. I'm betting most arcanists would prefer the passive crux back.

twisttop138 · July 22

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

They changed the passive crux generation to a small ultimate generation if a crux already exists. I'm betting most arcanists would prefer the passive crux back.

I'd rather have the crux if I'm being honest. Though, if we're still being honest, I hate banner. I hate that I need to have an annoying loud ring that sometimes doesn't even go away when I take banner off. As far as this change, I really don't mind flailing twice.

DenverRalphy · July 22

It's actually a nerf to the Arcanist class mastery script as it applies to Banner Bearer. Instead of a crux every 5 seconds, it's changed to a crux every 5 seconds only if no crux already exists. Otherwise it awards 3 ultimate. 3 ultimate every 5 seconds isn't a lot. Better than nothinig, but not a lot.

[edit] That being said.. I think the Banner Bearer skill should be thrown into the pits of hell never to be seen again. I use Soul Burst myself. Crux gen that's awarded every time it fires, and I can attach buffs/heals/damage to it, and I open up a skill bar slot.

Desiato · July 22

My initial reaction was knee-jerk. After thinking about it more, it probably won't work out like my worst fear.

I hate the banner meta so much and want it to go away, so the patch notes inspired an emotional reaction.

I apologize to the combat team for my criticism.

DenverRalphy · July 22

Desiato wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

It's actually a nerf to the Arcanist class mastery script as it applies to Banner Bearer. Instead of a crux every 5 seconds, it's changed to a crux every 5 seconds only if no crux already exists. Otherwise it awards 3 ultimate. 3 ultimate every 5 seconds isn't a lot. Better than nothinig, but not a lot.

[edit] That being said.. I think the Banner Bearer skill should be thrown into the pits of hell never to be seen again. I use Soul Burst myself. Crux gen that's awarded every time it fires, and I can attach buffs/heals/damage to it, and I open up a skill bar slot.

3 ult every 5 seconds that stacks with other forms of ult gen is significant. Consider that minor heroism is 4 ult every 6 seconds.

Not insignificant, but not as effective as crux generation either IMO. <shrug> We'll see. Where final adjustments land by the end of this PTS cycle is anybody's guess.

DenverRalphy · July 22

Desiato wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Not insignificant, but not as effective as crux generation either IMO. <shrug> We'll see. Where final adjustments land by the end of this PTS cycle is anybody's guess.

The bottom line is that they were trying to rein in ult gen, but now they're adding more of it while cementing arc as the base class in the supposed era of subclassing freedom and banner will become more common instead of less common.

So less diversity. Yay.

I'm still wondering about the new GCD on unique ulti-gen. The reverted the passives back to their original form, and added a GCD on them. Wondering whether the decision to revert the previous change was instigated by the change to add ulti-gen to Arc's class mastery. Quite likely. But then that begs the question of whether the class mastery ulti-gen will be affected by the GCD.

Morvan · July 22

It's a huge nerf in comparison to what we currently have on live, stop spreading misinformation.

sarahthes · July 22

Desiato wrote: »

My initial reaction was knee-jerk. After thinking about it more, it probably won't work out like my worst fear.

I hate the banner meta so much and want it to go away.

I think banner may move to the wm arc DD and a healer next patch. We've been talking about it as an option.

HatchetHaro · July 22

You missed the part where they nerfed its Crux generation back in week 1 of PTS.

Desiato · July 22

sarahthes wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

My initial reaction was knee-jerk. After thinking about it more, it probably won't work out like my worst fear.

I hate the banner meta so much and want it to go away.

I think banner may move to the wm arc DD and a healer next patch. We've been talking about it as an option.

Yeah, I think that's fair and a better place than 6-8 DDs running it.

Gendizer · July 22

I thought that it generates crux before we get 3 stacks. But if only zero, its great. I was waiting for the nerf.

Vonnegut2506 · July 22

twisttop138 wrote: »

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

They changed the passive crux generation to a small ultimate generation if a crux already exists. I'm betting most arcanists would prefer the passive crux back.

I'd rather have the crux if I'm being honest. Though, if we're still being honest, I hate banner. I hate that I need to have an annoying loud ring that sometimes doesn't even go away when I take banner off. As far as this change, I really don't mind flailing twice.

I agree with you about banner. I actually refuse to run banner on any character I have because it just looks so stupid and out of place. I'll take the dps decrease to actually enjoy not looking like a goon.