Charm and CC Immunity

El_Borracho · July 18

Does charm obey CC immunity rules or not? Because after the Vengeance campaign ended and with the advent of subclassing on consoles, the Warden charm script is now everywhere on PS-NA. I've been repeatedly charmed by the same player and multiple players, without the 7 second cooldown, to the point it wrecks your stamina pool for break free. Pots don't work, blocking doesn't work, CP doesn't work. It wasn't like this 3 weeks ago, so did I miss something?

Zama666 · July 18

yup same here, so much stamina gone!

dark_hunterxmg · July 20

It's really hard to tell what charm actually does when in a fight with multiple other CCs going off. This is definitely the most bugged CC skill right now. It needs to go away or be altered significantly.

The_Meathead · July 20

I'm really sorta holding my breath for the nerf on Warden's charm.

Of all the Class Scripts, it's just SO darn good in PVP both for landing stacked damage and making someone walk around in it, but maybe even more (and way more of what I'm seeing lately) as a get out of jail free card for an easy escape, when part of your burst heal. About to finally land the kill? NOPE! Charmed, and off they go again.

It does seem like it acts differently with breaking, too, and it's just so hard to see the AoE indicator (seriously, I had no idea there even was one until I read it a couple days ago) combined with the fact you keep moving that it's really tough to always be on top of in countering.

I've honestly considered changing my Main to a Warden just for this Script, because it wouldn't change my favorite builds otherwise, but part of me knows it's due a nerf and I think it's probably coming sooner than later.

Theignson · July 20

I’ve noticed the same thing, charmed multiple times ina row, I suspect it’s cc immunity is broken. Add that to RoA and you have misery for melee players

JaxontheUnfortunate · July 21

Pretty much stacking of charm is broken and needs to apply immunity or removed temporarily and reworked in pts cycles.

El_Borracho · July 21

The_Meathead wrote: »

I've honestly considered changing my Main to a Warden just for this Script, because it wouldn't change my favorite builds otherwise, but part of me knows it's due a nerf and I think it's probably coming sooner than later.

I thought the same thing. Maybe I will as it seems once I switch away from my main, that shiny new thing gets nerfed.

Its definitely a great skill. I would just love a reprieve from it. Between the newest versions of the 60K health tank healbots and the charms, PVP is becoming less fun to play. To the point I no longer care about ROA

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · July 21

There are many crowd control bugs in this game. It's possible to be double cc'd and double rooted as well. I've had it happen many times and I've seen streamers get double cc'd and double rooted as well.

Not sure if someone's found out a way to trigger a double cc on-demand but I doubt it. It's probably random and related to server frame lag or something else.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · July 21

On the topic of broken cc and snares, can we remove the undocumented 0.5s snare on Take Flight? This is one of the most broken snares in the game despite being such short duration. It snares through all root and snare immunity including Snow Treaders. It takes a max move speed scroll runner from 200% move speed back down to < 100% for 0.5 seconds which is long enough to get pulled by a group chasing and you die.

Urzigurumash · July 22

The Charm needs to go. Deleted. Just like the old Fear.

gc0018 · August 8

Nerf / remove the charm from warden class master won't affect warden's gameplay. Because even warden can't do anything to another charming warden. Warden should have a better damage focusing class master which can be used in both ganker or PVE.

a_u_s_t_y · August 8

Charm is beyond unbalanced,, it’s a 360 cc that requires no targeting, massive aoe, 70% snare ,a delayed 3 second charm which is the worse cc to break out of and it has barely any cost to use..

Sure you can roll dodge it.. but if you don’t time it perfect the aoe is so large you end up getting charmed anyway so you lose stamina from dodge rolling and then break free.

A lot of people are running charm + another stun to rinse your resources, they drop charm, you roll dodge to avoid, if it doesn’t hit, they hit you with another stun (usually jav) so your resources take a massive hit.

It’s size needs to be reduced if it’s gonna keep everything else.. make it the same size as turn evil.. the fact this is a cc you can just drop without targeting is ridiculous

danko355 · August 8

Charm is a class script that is better than some single class skills like Mass Hysteria or Rune or the Colorless Pool. Why someone thought adding a class script that has AOE root and delayed stun would be fine? Any scribing skill becomes OP on warden, like having a burst heal that has a stun AND applies some major buff on top of it.It needs to go, it’s just too powerful.

TheAwesomeChimpanzee · August 8

Even setting aside how buggy the skill is—whether it’s breaking out of it or getting clipped into terrain—this mastery has no business being as strong as it is compared to the other class masteries. Arcanist’s mastery (which is BiS in PvE) is already getting heavily nerfed on the PTS, but Warden’s mastery is still completely overloaded. Meanwhile, most of the other class masteries are just minor stat boosts that only proc under super specific conditions.

MedicInTheWild · August 9

Nothing obeys the rules, Charm will make you run into *** rocks... You can get pulled by a group all running ROA 12 times every second 12 times in a row.... and they expect the same number thats not running HOTS to each other to be able to break free while being charmed inside a *** rock that you cant break free from getting damage from people on 50+k health builds. Why can you even do damage while being 50+k health???? Once you get above 35K health you should lose damage dramatically. I know that the game is changing but I used to get called a tank at 26K health. either you should have 50K health and absolutely zero damage or you can have good damage at 30K ( maybe these numbers are not exact but you can get the idea ) I hate getting run over by 4 people ranging from 40K-50K health and they are able to wipe 32K health... Its not healthy for the game. They make it easy to get health then they raise damage to make up for it.... Maybe its not low damage and the health and HOTs you need to reduce......

MincMincMinc · August 12

Just put the charm on the warden green balance ultimate. Then put an aoe minor defile on the class script or something comparable to the ult gen script that is basically minor heroism.

xylena_lazarow · August 14

Make it a regular stun, not a resurrected Fear bug from years ago, easy to counter then.

Dunno why there are like 4 threads open on this same topic still. One got closed.

JohnRingo · August 17

Minor inconvenience in the scheme of things, in my opinion.

i11ionward · August 17

After the CC immunity issues, at least you can just die and respawn to keep the fight going.
But when you get stuck in the textures, that’s way worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SunJHg4MvE8

If you’re having trouble noticing when you’re hit with crowd control (especially by charm), I really recommend using a CC tracker addon. It plays a sound effect the moment you get controlled, which makes it way easier to react.

danko355 · August 17

i11ionward wrote: »

After the CC immunity issues, at least you can just die and respawn to keep the fight going.
But when you get stuck in the textures, that’s way worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SunJHg4MvE8
If you’re having trouble noticing when you’re hit with crowd control (especially by charm), I really recommend using a CC tracker addon. It plays a sound effect the moment you get controlled, which makes it way easier to react.

Yeah, but one step into a wall is already enough to completely ruin your BG or Cyrodiil experience. By the time the sound hits you might already be into textures without ANY possibility to get out, only abandon the BG or leave the Cyro. What a great game design!
“Lets completely rework fear to only stun enemies, but add exactly the same buggy mechanic a few years later and put it as the best class script for already S-tier PVP class, what could go wrong?”