If you can only choose one version between U46 and U47, which one would you choose?

ZhuJiuyin · July 10

This vote is about combat balance, including all skill and sets change.
If you haven't read U47's patch yet, please read U47's patch notes before voting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/680228/pts-patch-notes-v11-1-0#latest

In short, U47 made some good changes to sets, but made a rough nerf to many skills, such as changing unique class Ultimate passives to generic named buffs, removing unique buffs from Relentless Focus & Bound Aegis, etc.

Renato90085 · July 10

What is the difference between the fourth option and the second one?

tsaescishoeshiner · July 10

There are too many changes to summarize, as well as a few substantial PTS patches (usually week 3 or later), plus changes that will only be made for the U47 launch in response to PTS.

I think the best time for this poll to mean anything would be like 2 weeks after U47 launches when changes are finalized and people have gotten to try everything out.

ZhuJiuyin · July 10

As a compromise, I would like to choose U46, but have all the buffs of U47

Renato90085 wrote: »

What is the difference between the fourth option and the second one?

only all nerf but no any buff.

ZhuJiuyin · July 10

As a compromise, I would like to choose U46, but have all the buffs of U47

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

There are too many changes to summarize, as well as a few substantial PTS patches (usually week 3 or later), plus changes that will only be made for the U47 launch in response to PTS.

I think the best time for this poll to mean anything would be like 2 weeks after U47 launches when changes are finalized and people have gotten to try everything out.

Actually you are right, this may be more objective.
But the opposition from U47 seems to be stronger than that from U46, maybe we should take action earlier to prevent it from becoming a done deal.

Bubosh · July 10

Hard pass. With u46 only a different game (or simply no ESO anymore) can be the right answer and statement. It's not rly eso anymore

Morvan · July 10

Can't really choose, let's wait for the next PTS patches, I'm glad they're nerfing crux generation, but making arcanist class mastery redundant wasn't the right way to do it.

Grim Focus also needed a nerf, it was annoying me how everyone was using it passively, but it still baffles me that Bound Armaments aren't being brought in par with that skill.

The standardization of things are also bad, they're getting rid of unique things each class has to make balancing lines separately easier, which is a terrible route to take.

The real issue is, all those nerfs and bad decisions would've been easier to glance over if there were any buffs going on, there are several class lines that are clearly underperforming and even some subtle buffs would've been welcome, people will always expect the worst when you don't communicate awareness on those issues.

LesserCircle · July 10

I would choose update 32

Aylish · July 10

U47 combat and class changes would‘ve never happened if U46 weren‘t already there. I dislike everything about them both combatwise.
Instead of balancing classes they created a system that can‘t be balanced at all resulting in killing one skill line after the other (yes killing, not nerfing. What is happening atm is beyond nerfing IMO).

I prefer anything before U46. I even liked hybridization. But the whole multiclassing system makes me burning out about ESO. My char wasn‘t meta before but she was always decent so I could enjoy content. Now I don‘t participate in anything because my char is so underperforming that I‘m ashamed by running even dungeons at all.

colossalvoids · July 10

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

That's deciding between plague and cholera.

Option 5: Chose another game.

More or less this.

LunaFlora · July 10

I would rather choose U47

i like most of the current u47 changes.

Though obviously there are still 4 weeks of PTS patches so we do not know the full extent of the combat changes yet exactly.

randconfig · July 10

I would rather choose U46

Bubosh wrote: »

Hard pass. With u46 only a different game (or simply no ESO anymore) can be the right answer and statement. It's not rly eso anymore

Morvan wrote: »

Can't really choose, let's wait for the next PTS patches, I'm glad they're nerfing crux generation, but making arcanist class mastery redundant wasn't the right way to do it.

Grim Focus also needed a nerf, it was annoying me how everyone was using it passively, but it still baffles me that Bound Armaments aren't being brought in par with that skill.

The standardization of things are also bad, they're getting rid of unique things each class has to make balancing lines separately easier, which is a terrible route to take.

The real issue is, all those nerfs and bad decisions would've been easier to glance over if there were any buffs going on, there are several class lines that are clearly underperforming and even some subtle buffs would've been welcome, people will always expect the worst when you don't communicate awareness on those issues.

"I'm glad they're nerfing crux generation, but making arcanist class mastery redundant wasn't the right way to do it."

THE ISSUE IS THE BEAM, NERF THE BEAM, DONT KILL ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE BEAM! THIS WAS THE ABSOLUTELY WORST CHANGE TO ARCANIST, ALL OTHER CLASSES USING THE BEAM FOR META DPS SEE NO CHANGE, BUT ARCANIST MAINS ACTUALLY GET NERFED, EVERYONE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO USE THE BEAM, MY BRAIN CANNOT FATHOM THESE CHANGES, I'M SO FRUSTRATED

Maitsukas · July 10

I would rather choose U47

I don't let the meta dictate my personal playstyle. I haven't swapped out my tanking sets since 2022 or my IA build that I made last summer.

Avalon · July 10

I would rather choose U46

What the devs don't get is that they need to bring UP the under-performing skills and passives, using the analytics from the game. They can see which lines are the most taken, which skills, passives, etc. Learn WHY those are taken. It isn't because they are 'broken' in a good way, it's because the LEAST taken ones are 'broken' in BAD ways.

Make THOSE lines better by seeing why the others are preferred. Generally, the reasons would be a combination of the skills being worth taking, and the passives actually being able to meld into a build utilizing other lines.

My favorite example:
Warden GB line has passives, but they ONLY benefit the GB line. They don't even benefit the Winter's Embrace heal, from the SAME class. So, kinda obvious why that line would be less than spectacular in subclassing, when it doesn't even work on the SAME class' other lines.

The reason Assassination line is so good, is because it works really well with EVERYTHING. Same for Stormcalling, Aedric Spear, etc. Devs need to learn that those lines have passives and skills that actually DO work and play well with others. That leads to true build diversity (playing well with each other). If they make every skill so homogenized, by turning bonuses into simple Major/Minor buffs, then what's the point? There's little to no diversity, aside from cosmetics.

When you BUFF the lines to bring them up to the standards of the good lines? You create diversity. But, that requires actual work, which seems to be the opposite of what ZOS devs want to do. They want the game to be so stupidly simple to govern and control that THEY don't need to lift fingers. They can create whatever content they want, and don't have to worry that maybe they accidentally allowed a new meta as a result. They can clock in to work, and 'clock out' while designing.

OTOH... if they were up to the task, they could make subclassing truly amazing, allowing near infinite build diversity that is actually DIVERSE. Players would absolutely go head over heels for it, might even bring back tons of old players, too. But, imo, these patch notes read like all they want is to dumb everything down for THEIR sake, not the players.

Destai · July 10

I would rather choose U46

U46 was the first time in a long time, maybe since Blackwood, that I've had a grin while playing this game. I really don't care what's overpowered. I know some do, and that's fine, but for me personally, I just want to have fun. Blowing through mobs, carrying friends through content, is fun to me. Putting together goofy builds that somehow are still viable is fun to me. I knew they'd nerf this, but maybe this is just an indication they should've waited a little bit longer to release these. The feedback was there.

SaffronCitrusflower · July 10

Revert us back to U34 please.

katanagirl1 · July 10

The game has had many improvements to it over the years - housing, antiquities, stickerbook, companions - but combat has been steadily declining the whole time, except for Oakensoul and Arcanist. Those brought new players into endgame.

I have given up hope that it will ever change. There was a slowdown in the changes to the meta for a while and I enjoyed it. I don’t know why things have to be completely turned upside down instead of making small, incremental changes. I don’t understand those who complain about a “stale meta”. I don’t even know how to make a good build that does not involve subclassing since I am not a theorycrafter and the content creators I follow are listing only subclassing builds.

You used to be able to do hard content on non-meta builds but those days are gone. The game has no direction now for combat, just new shinies like scribing and subclassing that ignores all but the top 1% and the bottom.

Tyrobag · July 10

I would rather choose U46

I will never understand why they refuse to make ultimate builds viable. They already weren't, but they nerfed them again anyways. Any time there's anything resembling a buff to ultimate generation it gets blasted into the ground. If you're building for it, that means your making sacrifices in other areas, but rather than accept it as a feasible build option and balance it they just make sure its always impossible. Also the heroism buffs are just sad and feel worthless. If you're going to make them the only source of added ultimate generation, at least triple the ult they give so it feels almost worthwhile.

/end ramble

ZhuJiuyin · July 16

As a compromise, I would like to choose U46, but have all the buffs of U47

Good news, everyone!
ZOS has decided to listen to feedback and undo most of the changes to U47!
For more details, please see: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/680662/upcoming-u47-pts-changes-based-on-feedback#latest

L_Nici · July 16

I would rather choose U47

After they corrected their mistakes, I take U47 now. Most of the worst things they rolled back.

MorallyBipolar · July 16

I choose U34.

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