Complaint about vengeance

ksbrugh · July 4

I understand that it's just a test but it aggravates me to no end whether I play it on PC or Xbox.
What is aggravating me and is my complaint is the range of your abilities, they are okay in a PVE situation but in PvP trying to defend keeps, forts or castles from the second level or walls is almost null and void and the ability to only place one oil pot and your abilities can't reach someone on the other side of the front porch. On a regular campaign I've protected nik with a few other Buddies against a horde of enemies with just oil and ranged attacks not in vengeance though. You either go down and outside and try to fight 10 or more people off or you wait for them to break the door down and hopefully the NPCs help you kill them LOL
Like I said I get it, it's a test but if 90% of the time you could have been firing off range attacks and are unable to because someone has learned exactly where to stand when you're trying to defend a keep, yes there are spots in regular campaign you can stand also but they're much further away. I never mind me I'm just venting Steam I just lost to keep from Red's and I felt like I couldn't offend it cuz I couldn't attack them without dropping down outnumbered and fighting I'm done I'll go away now

kargen27 · July 4

One good thing about Vengeance is I don't have to try and remember where I stashed my PvP gear. I don't mind that ranged skills are a bit more limited in distance for the test. As you said it gets us out and engaging more, or it should. Maybe that will give them better data to look at. Always the optimist!

Markytous · July 4

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

AngryPenguin · July 5

Markytous wrote: »

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

No, with this version of vengeance latency and frame rate are both worse than live Cyrodiil PvP.

Markytous · July 5

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

No, with this version of vengeance latency and frame rate are both worse than live Cyrodiil PvP.

This is simply untrue. Server latency is a huge improvement however with your frame-rate issues you will most likely have to upgrade your computer. To fix your lag issues, try to verify your ISP to make sure you're not on a low data plan and check to see if your modem/router/ethernet setup is in good condition. Also, if possible, try not to play on Wifi as that also will cause you to have ping related issues.

Vengeance is more performant than Live Cyrodiil. It's just a fact. You have to contend with the reality of that.

Markytous · July 5

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

No, with this version of vengeance latency and frame rate are both worse than live Cyrodiil PvP.

This is simply untrue. Server latency is a huge improvement however with your frame-rate issues you will most likely have to upgrade your computer. To fix your lag issues, try to verify your ISP to make sure you're not on a low data plan and check to see if your modem/router/ethernet setup is in good condition. Also, if possible, try not to play on Wifi as that also will cause you to have ping related issues.

Vengeance is more performant than Live Cyrodiil. It's just a fact. You have to contend with the reality of that.

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I have played it daily this week at a minimum of 3 hours per day. Why are you pushing this false narrative aside from trying so hard to protect blocktanks, procs and ballgroups?

EDIT: You just reminded me that last night on my DK Kaido I ran a scroll back to the gate for DC on Vengeance. Thanks for playing! Try again.

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kargen27 · July 5

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

No, with this version of vengeance latency and frame rate are both worse than live Cyrodiil PvP.

This is simply untrue. Server latency is a huge improvement however with your frame-rate issues you will most likely have to upgrade your computer. To fix your lag issues, try to verify your ISP to make sure you're not on a low data plan and check to see if your modem/router/ethernet setup is in good condition. Also, if possible, try not to play on Wifi as that also will cause you to have ping related issues.

Vengeance is more performant than Live Cyrodiil. It's just a fact. You have to contend with the reality of that.

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I'm going to agree with Markytous. I've been in Cyrodiil every night and there might have been three or four occasions when my skills didn't fire. I've mostly been playing on my Templar and outside of Vengeance my Toppling Charge might actually work a third of the time even when I know I am in range. With Vengeance I'm gap closing all over the place. Even in really big fights and often to my detriment because PvE muscle memory kicks in for rotation and I fly into way more enemy than I should.
Bar swapping absolutely is much more reliable.

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Sluggy · July 5

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

AngryPenguin wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

That range buff is a part of a unique Cyrodiil buff that adds several meters of range to all skills that are 28m Range or higher. Since Vengeance is a network test of sorts, they have removed many of the modifiers and buffs (such as Battle Spirit) to find if the performance server latency - wise has improved. That explains why your ranged attacks feel shorter!

No, with this version of vengeance latency and frame rate are both worse than live Cyrodiil PvP.

This is simply untrue. Server latency is a huge improvement however with your frame-rate issues you will most likely have to upgrade your computer. To fix your lag issues, try to verify your ISP to make sure you're not on a low data plan and check to see if your modem/router/ethernet setup is in good condition. Also, if possible, try not to play on Wifi as that also will cause you to have ping related issues.

Vengeance is more performant than Live Cyrodiil. It's just a fact. You have to contend with the reality of that.

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I can also attest to the fact that the performance has been spot-on perfect for some of us. I played for many hours on Monday and at various times throughout Tuesday and Thursday and there was only a single time where I had issue using a door during a large fight. Other than that one time I never saw an ounce of delay in any of my skills. I'd say that the server processor load seems just fine.

However, there are several documented cases of people having sever lag issues nonetheless - even at the same time where others are having absolutely zero issue whatsoever! This leads me to think there is either some kind of issue with the routing or perhaps even a network congestion issue within the server itself. Either way, this test (just as the previous) does at least show that the CPU load on the server is largely eliminated but there may be other issues.

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mocap · July 5

Vegans campaign is indeed whoever has bigga zerg, wins.
If original Cyro is like checkers board game, then Vengeanka is more like Chapayev )

katanagirl1 · July 5

mocap wrote: »

Vegans campaign is indeed whoever has bigga zerg, wins.
If original Cyro is like checkers board game, then Vengeanka is more like Chapayev )

Next up, Vegan campaign - all Bosmer!

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

shadyjane62 · July 6

The best thing I've seen in Vengeance was looking down from the BRK wall and seeing 50 AD with seige and whatever they shoot coming for us.

The entire field of battle was popping like crazy and it looked like real slice of actual war.

Best time I've had in ESO in 5 years.

It was an awesome sight!

Joy_Division · July 6

It is amazing how the performance is terrible for people who dislike Vengeance and fine for people who do.

No wonder ZOS pays these forums little attention.

smallhammer · July 6

I agree about the range of attacks. Apart from that I like this campaign. I am not one who likes to read about, and test, sets for hours upon hours.

Plain and simple level field. And you suddenly realize that you're not that bad in pvp. And no unkillable players in sight either.

smallhammer · July 6

"Vegans campaign is indeed whoever has bigga zerg, wins."

Well in the ordinary campaigns it is the ones who have the best sets who win. Mostly. And some are unkillable too. So nice to not have any of that.

Frayton · July 6

mocap wrote: »

Vegans campaign is indeed whoever has bigga zerg, wins.
If original Cyro is like checkers board game, then Vengeanka is more like Chapayev )

I'm calling this the Vegan campaign from now on. Thank you.

ForumBully · July 6

Joy_Division wrote: »

It is amazing how the performance is terrible for people who dislike Vengeance and fine for people who do.

No wonder ZOS pays these forums little attention.

I've noticed that myself. Stopped paying attention to anecdotes about performance, but I'll be interested in ZOS data.

Four_Fingers · July 6

Performance isn't bad, but skills sometimes don't fire on first press and today my ultimate would not fire either, but that has been a problem on controllers forever, and is a result of shoddy controller handler code and nothing to do with population.
Still boring though, maybe we should test spamming healing springs inside a keep in mass to see if it lags like it did back in 2014. lmao

Four_Fingers · July 6

Joy_Division wrote: »

It is amazing how the performance is terrible for people who dislike Vengeance and fine for people who do.

No wonder ZOS pays these forums little attention.

A lot don't know the difference between server lag and client frame rate drop, and not everyone is playing on equal hardware so it is very possible to get different results.

Radiate77 · July 6

Joy_Division wrote: »

It is amazing how the performance is terrible for people who dislike Vengeance and fine for people who do.

No wonder ZOS pays these forums little attention.

This. 💯

I saw @Markytous reply about performance to that other guy in another thread and didn’t realize the same conversation happened over here first.

It’s honestly kind of funny how much effort is being put into misinformation.

mocap · July 6

Unless ZOS increased popcap every day, prime time queue for campaign droped terribly every day.
PC EU, AD:
day 1 120+ queue (30 june)
day 2 70+ queue
*** duno
day 4 9+ queue
day 5 insta login
day 6 insta login
day 7 insta login (06 july) Also DC/EP 3 bars

blktauna · July 6

PCNA EP queue every night sometimes up to 100+

katanagirl1 · July 7

blktauna wrote: »

PCNA EP queue every night sometimes up to 100+

I can’t believe it is so much different on your server. We have one bar tops for each faction. I wish I could see the huge battles too and fight it out.

Waseem · July 7

Your pfp says all

JustLovely · July 7

blktauna wrote: »

PCNA EP queue every night sometimes up to 100+

No, this is not factually accurate. There was only a queue the first few days. There hasn't been a queue, even during prime time since day 4 of this vengeance test on PC NA.

JustLovely · July 7

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Performance isn't bad, but skills sometimes don't fire on first press and today my ultimate would not fire either, but that has been a problem on controllers forever, and is a result of shoddy controller handler code and nothing to do with population.
Still boring though, maybe we should test spamming healing springs inside a keep in mass to see if it lags like it did back in 2014. lmao

Skills not firing means performance was bad.

JustLovely · July 7

Joy_Division wrote: »

It is amazing how the performance is terrible for people who dislike Vengeance and fine for people who do.

No wonder ZOS pays these forums little attention.

This is an inaccurate and flippant comment.