valenwood_vegan wrote: »Even assuming for a moment that this plea is genuine, this is particularly bad timing given the *extremely* similar thread recently and how that turned out.
I think it's quite unfortunate actually that zos somewhat caved to pressure publicly and decided to make an exception and allow gifting access in the other thread, because now they've essentially given bad actors a blueprint for how to use the forums to further their goals, and we're all going to be more suspicious of these posts now. Particularly one that appears to be from a brand new forum account.
valenwood_vegan wrote: »Even assuming for a moment that this plea is genuine, this is particularly bad timing given the *extremely* similar thread recently and how that turned out.
I think it's quite unfortunate actually that zos somewhat caved to pressure publicly and decided to make an exception and allow gifting access in the other thread, because now they've essentially given bad actors a blueprint for how to use the forums to further their goals, and we're all going to be more suspicious of these posts now. Particularly one that appears to be from a brand new forum account.
I would think that suspicion you noted is precisely what is going to warn (at least some) bad actors away from using the forums like this, actually. [snip for length].
And it is easier when someone who has an abundance of crown gems can simply choose something out of a crate to gift.
After what just recently happened last time I think everyone, including the community, is going to be a bit more cautious. Rallying cries for support and "standing up for players" are no longer going to seem so honest.
...
Don't expect a flock of support. Genuine or scammer, you're likely on your own-- with ZOS' verdict holding steady.
With this kind of approach, they can completely ignore player feedback and just do whatever they want.
A single isolated case of fraud should never be used as the basis for an entire company’s policy. People have rights, and if we pay money, those rights should be respected.
Grizzbeorn wrote: »A brand new, private forum account bringing the same intensity of claims as to their goodwill just two days later isn't very convincing, if not highly suspicious.
@SilverBride
Let me ask you a counter-question.
So, if we take an abstract, imaginary country as an example — where a made-up government can imprison anyone for no reason — does that mean you agree with this and fully justify it?
@Grizzbeorn
I’ll tell you more — I don’t care how sincere you think I am. 😄
But bro, your logic is amazing. It’s genius, really.
By your reasoning, if one player lied about a gift issue, then everyone who posts about gift-related problems on the forum must be a scammer too? LOL.
If your neighbor farts in the elevator, does that mean all neighbors fart in the elevator?
Hi everyone. Our Anti-Fraud team made up of Devs, Customer Service, and Community team members wanted to follow up here after monitoring this thread and engaging with the original poster of the thread. We believe it’s important to go over this case, because it’s a good example of a bad actor and the tactics they use to circumvent safety processes to do harm.
First, we want to acknowledge that while the gifting process can be frustrating, it is designed to keep both you, the player, and us safe from bad actors.
When the user originally placed their ticket in for gifting access, we denied their request due to account markers that showed future signs of potential fraudulent behavior. However, the user then opened this thread noting their playtime and claim to eligibility. In addition to their claims, we heard from many of you. We understand the frustration with the process and empathize with it. Many of you know that we often go through threads like this and try to assist where we can with the support of our customer service team.
Upon reevaluation of the account, we could tell the user was an active ESO player, but still had concerning markers on their account. We weighed the pros and cons of those risks and ultimately granted access to gifting. Unfortunately, within 24 hours, we were able to confirm new fraudulent behavior made by the user. They have now been permanently banned in-game and from the forum.
We highlight this because a common tactic bad actors use is the power of public forums here and elsewhere: taking advantage of the everyday player’s goodwill to garner public support to be let back in. Based on this situation, future threads like this will be based only on the follow-up investigation and closed once the investigation is complete.
To close out this post, we are still working to get as many people in as possible to the gifting program. We relaxed rules for gifting earlier this year and will continue to monitor these rules. Our goal is to stop bad actors, while keeping everyone else safe. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read this follow up.
@Grizzbeorn
Bro, we’ve all already understood your brilliant logic. 😄 Chill.
@SilverBride
The problem with your logic is that, hypothetically, ZOS could just delete all the zones, leave only Summerset, and turn it into one big Battle Royale. Then they’d just present it to everyone as a fact: ‘ESO is now a Battle Royale.’ 😂
Developers make a game for the players — players pay money for it — and the developers present the game in a certain way. If they suddenly change the conditions, that’s called deception.
Oh, and by the way — are you telling me I should just stop playing ESO?
Also, please answer the question.