Oakensoul ring as a character option?

fizzybeef · June 22

Oakensoul was literally invented for disabled people. And its good they can play thanks to the mythic.

But the mythic is in a good place how it is right now and shouldnt be changed.

DenverRalphy · June 22

fizzybeef wrote: »

Oakensoul was literally invented for disabled people. And its good they can play thanks to the mythic.

But the mythic is in a good place how it is right now and shouldnt be changed.

Was it now? Interesting. Source?

moo_2021 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Oakensoul needs to be earned.

Collect the leads and scry for it. Any player not willing to put forth the effort is not worthy of wielding the power of Oakensoul.

but the point of this mythic is to enable a simplified playstyle. Seems contrary to puttings tons of effort in order to earn it.

Also my proposal is only for major buffs, i.e. 3 ability slots. Wouldn't that be a good tradeoff itself? Anyone wanting more would still have to farm the ring.

And you're proposing a simplified playstyle is to be given away completely free? That somehow farming up leads and earning a reward that provides exactly that is just too much?

robpr · June 22

With more suggestions like this I won't be surprised we will get item/option that will make LA/HA automatically by itself.
ESO's combat is as complex or simple as players want it to be. You can get away with just one bar or you can have multiple delayed skills that need to be used on cooldown but not recasted early. Transition from complex to simple gameplay is way easier than other way around. If you give players simple gameplay from very start, the majority of them will never attempt the complex rotations and will feel stuck and alienated.

inb4 "so you are against people with disabilities", I have arthritis and managed to do some tradeoffs for my DK without resorting to completely ditch the class for Arc or HA builds.

Cooperharley · June 22

Varana wrote: »

Asikoo wrote: »

You really need to understand one thing:

That almost nothing in this post was true.

Except for organised groups above a certain level, no one cares whether you use Oakensoul or not. And if you hit your numbers with Oakensoul, you're fine even then.

The Cloudrest mechanic existed well before Oakensoul. It got slightly changed after its release so the mechanic actually does what it was supposed to do. And the trial doesn't "flat-out block you" from using it. You can still use it in any fight in this trial that doesn't involve Relequen.

Not to mention that Oakensoul is not the only way to play one-bar heavy attack builds. You can also, like, just not weapon-swap. If you get Empower from somewhere else, you may be better off using another setup like the new Mythic.

And so on. There's really so much wrong with this post...

I feel like this post is largely due to misinformation and a couple bad apples, which I can understand can definitely sour your experience.

BUT - this is just so rare. There’s toxic people in every game, but ESO and especially ESO end game in my experience are much less so than other games. Could be just me growing up in COD lobbies and playing WoW endgame, but man… I just really don’t see this stuff hardly ever if at all!

moo_2021 · June 22

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And you're proposing a simplified playstyle is to be given away completely free? That somehow farming up leads and earning a reward that provides exactly that is just too much?

How is it a "reward" to turn on a simplified playstyle with less dps and unsuitable for end game contents?

preevious · June 22

Asikoo wrote: »

You really need to understand one thing:
Oakensoul is no longer welcome in multiplayer content.
Players will turn you away the moment they see it equipped. Even Zenimax itself limits your access—trials like Cloudrest flat-out block you if you're using it.

So let’s be honest, right now, Oakensoul is only truly viable for solo play. That’s the reality.

Zenimax released and sold Oakensoul with High Isle. It was exciting. It was empowering. For many players, it breathed new life into the game. It let people play comfortably, enjoyably, on their own terms.
But then came the nerfs. The restrictions. The gatekeeping. And just like that, an entire playstyle started dying out in multiplayer.

And I get it. I really do. For some, Oakensoul was a blessing.
It was fun. It felt good. It made ESO more accessible, more engaging, even magical for a time.

But now? Zenimax doesn’t seem to care about those players anymore, not when it comes to group content. And most of the community? They don’t care either.
Because Oakensoul can’t parse 180k DPS... right?

But for the solo player… it’s perfect the way it is.

edit:
All you really need is an Arcanist.
One-bar Arcanist is welcome anywhere any place, any time. Why?
Because it can parse 131k DPS on a single bar. No Oakensoul. No training wheels. Just raw numbers.
skinnycheeks - 1-bar-beam

But Oakensoul?
Not welcome. Not because it breaks the game. Not because it ruins mechanics. But because it’s fun. Because it’s easy. Because it doesn't push players to spend more money chasing meta builds.

Oakensoul can’t parse 131k DPS.
So it’s dismissed. Shoved into a solo corner. Forgotten in group play.
Even if it brought people joy. Even if it gave players, casual, disabled, or just plain tired a way to play on their own terms, Arcanist is profitable. Oakensoul is not.

That’s the real reason. And it hurts.

Well, you can just bring out oakensoul bigger, meaner brother : rakkhat's voidmanle.
Trickier to use, but parsing 120k is not that hard.

120k is plenty enough, and no one is gonna dismiss you for it, unless it's the HA build that's not welcome, and that's nothing more than an ideology, at this point.

DenverRalphy · June 22

moo_2021 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And you're proposing a simplified playstyle is to be given away completely free? That somehow farming up leads and earning a reward that provides exactly that is just too much?

How is it a "reward" to turn on a simplified playstyle with less dps and unsuitable for end game contents?

Because you're proposing giving away "valuable enhancements" (your own words) absolutely free, just for being level 50. And as if that isn't enough, you further propose that it should stack with other mythics!

There's already an in-game method for you to get exactly what you're asking for (and then some). Playing the game. The only caveat being tht you've actually got to play the game to get get it.

Imperial_Archmage · June 22

Asikoo wrote: »

You really need to understand one thing:
Oakensoul is no longer welcome in multiplayer content.
Players will turn you away the moment they see it equipped. Even Zenimax itself limits your access—trials like Cloudrest flat-out block you if you're using it.

So let’s be honest, right now, Oakensoul is only truly viable for solo play. That’s the reality.

Zenimax released and sold Oakensoul with High Isle. It was exciting. It was empowering. For many players, it breathed new life into the game. It let people play comfortably, enjoyably, on their own terms.
But then came the nerfs. The restrictions. The gatekeeping. And just like that, an entire playstyle started dying out in multiplayer.

And I get it. I really do. For some, Oakensoul was a blessing.
It was fun. It felt good. It made ESO more accessible, more engaging, even magical for a time.

But now? Zenimax doesn’t seem to care about those players anymore, not when it comes to group content. And most of the community? They don’t care either.
Because Oakensoul can’t parse 180k DPS... right?

But for the solo player… it’s perfect the way it is.

edit:
All you really need is an Arcanist.
One-bar Arcanist is welcome anywhere any place, any time. Why?
Because it can parse 131k DPS on a single bar. No Oakensoul. No training wheels. Just raw numbers.
skinnycheeks - 1-bar-beam

But Oakensoul?
Not welcome. Not because it breaks the game. Not because it ruins mechanics. But because it’s fun. Because it’s easy. Because it doesn't push players to spend more money chasing meta builds.

Oakensoul can’t parse 131k DPS.
So it’s dismissed. Shoved into a solo corner. Forgotten in group play.
Even if it brought people joy. Even if it gave players, casual, disabled, or just plain tired a way to play on their own terms, Arcanist is profitable. Oakensoul is not.

That’s the real reason. And it hurts.

This is such a warped and elitist perspective it boggles the mind. ESO is one of the most casual friendly games out there, certainly when it comes to MMOs. The vast, no the overwhelming, majority of players don’t even parse 20k let alone 130k or 160k. Hell many probably don’t even know what a “parse” is. The number of players who care about this and push endgame trials content make up probably a single digit percentage of the overall playerbase. If ZOS really do ignore solo players, as you say, they do so to their detriment because we’re the ones who pay for the lights to stay on.

tomofhyrule · June 22

fizzybeef wrote: »

Oakensoul was literally invented for disabled people. And its good they can play thanks to the mythic.

People say this all the time. This is not true.

If it were an accessibility thing, it would not be locked behind 1) DLC purchases, 2) RNG leads, 3) grinding antiquities.

What happened was that it was introduced, but then people found out that it worked well as an accessibility option and then everyone ran with it. It was not invented for accessibilty, but it is popular because it is useful for accessibility.

The problem though is the balance of the game in the first place - see the whole debacle about when D&D came out with the "combat wheelchair" that was way more powerful than not having it, and that's what all happened with Oakensoul. It was way OP on release so that if you weren't running it you were wrong, and then it got nerfed so hard that that is now the other way. We saw that with hybridization and now again with Subclassing - something releases that is OP to the point where not running it is throwing.

So again, things just need to be balanced properly.

moo_2021 · June 22

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Because you're proposing giving away "valuable enhancements" (your own words) absolutely free, just for being level 50. And as if that isn't enough, you further propose that it should stack with other mythics!

There's already an in-game method for you to get exactly what you're asking for (and then some). Playing the game. The only caveat being tht you've actually got to play the game to get get it.

What you call valuable are essential in almost every builds.

What's the point of having to do something for major brutality etc at this stage of game? There is no trade off, no choice to be made. You just have slot 2-3 skills for those major buffs amd remember to click them every N seconds. Is that really a good combat design?

DenverRalphy · June 22

moo_2021 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Because you're proposing giving away "valuable enhancements" (your own words) absolutely free, just for being level 50. And as if that isn't enough, you further propose that it should stack with other mythics!

There's already an in-game method for you to get exactly what you're asking for (and then some). Playing the game. The only caveat being tht you've actually got to play the game to get get it.

What you call valuable are essential in almost every builds.

What's the point of having to do something for major brutality etc at this stage of game? There is no trade off, no choice to be made. You just have slot 2-3 skills for those major buffs amd remember to click them every N seconds. Is that really a good combat design?

I'd like to point out that the term "valuable" was your use. Not mine.

And no. They are not essential. Any player can get by without them. Many many do. But they're right there for the taking by any player who desires them. It's a goal to strive for. Not something to just be given away.

moo_2021 · June 22

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And no. They are not essential. Any player can get by without them. Many many do. But they're right there for the taking by any player who desires them.

what exactly can you do without those major buffs? hunting mudcrabs?

I meant they're valuable as being essential in combat. Asking someone to run a one bar build without oak ring is just silly (and yes those builds existed)

DenverRalphy · June 22

moo_2021 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And no. They are not essential. Any player can get by without them. Many many do. But they're right there for the taking by any player who desires them.

what exactly can you do without those major buffs? hunting mudcrabs?

I meant they're valuable as being essential in combat. Asking someone to run a one bar build without oak ring is just silly (and yes those builds existed)

Not saying the buffs aren't useful. Not by a longshot. And one bar builds are perfectly viable without Oakensoul. Not as effective, but viable. Others players do it.

Look. You're basically just looking for a quick and easy shortcut to getting an "easy mode" mechanic to circumvent already existing content to acquire those buffs. All those major buffs are already in game. There are various ways to utilize them. Acquiring and utilizing them are part of the challenge that keeps the game engaging.

You don't want to go out and do the work to get Oakensoul? Fine. Get those same buffs the same way everybody else does. Through skills/passives/gear/potions/etc.. They're all right there in game ready and waiting for you to acquire.

But if you're not willing to do the actual work to get them, don't for a moment assume you're still entitled to reap the benefits of those buffs. That's just not how the game (or any RPG) is supposed to work. No free handouts.

Soarora · June 22

moo_2021 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Because you're proposing giving away "valuable enhancements" (your own words) absolutely free, just for being level 50. And as if that isn't enough, you further propose that it should stack with other mythics!

There's already an in-game method for you to get exactly what you're asking for (and then some). Playing the game. The only caveat being tht you've actually got to play the game to get get it.

What you call valuable are essential in almost every builds.

What's the point of having to do something for major brutality etc at this stage of game? There is no trade off, no choice to be made. You just have slot 2-3 skills for those major buffs amd remember to click them every N seconds. Is that really a good combat design?

The choice is if you get it from potions or an ability you have to press, what, once every 20 seconds? If you even have to press the button at all. Potions means more damage skills but expensive and no tripots, skill means less damage skills but can use tri or heroism pots.

Varana · June 23

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And one bar builds are perfectly viable without Oakensoul. Not as effective, but viable. Others players do it.

Not only just viable, sometimes even better than Oakensoul.

Without Oakensoul, you can fill your backbar with passive skills that you never ever use. You just stay on your front bar and use that. But the backbar skills give so much utility (like, many of the Oakensoul buffs) just by passively sitting there that you can pull ahead without it. Especially nowadays with Rakkhat's Voidmantle.

Sometimes it seems like people forget that there were one-bar builds before Oakensoul existed. You just didn't weapon swap.

Asikoo · June 23

preevious wrote: »

Well, you can just bring out oakensoul bigger, meaner brother : rakkhat's voidmanle.
Trickier to use, but parsing 120k is not that hard.

120k is plenty enough, and no one is gonna dismiss you for it, unless it's the HA build that's not welcome, and that's nothing more than an ideology, at this point.

Why settle for a 120k parse when you can use an Arcanist and hit 130k+?? And the Arcanist is even easier to play than any build with Rakkhat’s.

Oakensoul was designed for a very specific group of players. Sure, others use it just for fun, but its main purpose is to support players who struggle with weaving, lag, complex rotations and etc... Rakkhat’s is not better than Oakensoul. If you think it is, you really need to try one-bar Arcanist, it's 100% better in every way.

edit:
Like I said, Oakensoul was created for many reasons, mainly to support a very specific group of players. And if you think it’s fair that in a multiplayer game some players can parse 180k+ while others, who already face real-life challenges, struggle to break 100k… that just highlights how flawed many design decisions are within the company.

These players don’t want special treatment, they just want to play the game and be part of high-end content like HM trials and trifectas, just like everyone else. As long as they know the mechanics and what to do, they should be allowed to participate.

But no, they get excluded in real life, and now we’re showing them they’re not even “good enough” to play a damn game!

Oakensoul users don't have many alternatives. And if you believe Rakkhat’s is meant to replace Oakensoul... I genuinely feel sorry for you.

twisttop138 · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

You really need to understand one thing:
Oakensoul is no longer welcome in multiplayer content.
Players will turn you away the moment they see it equipped. Even Zenimax itself limits your access—trials like Cloudrest flat-out block you if you're using it.

So let’s be honest, right now, Oakensoul is only truly viable for solo play. That’s the reality.

Zenimax released and sold Oakensoul with High Isle. It was exciting. It was empowering. For many players, it breathed new life into the game. It let people play comfortably, enjoyably, on their own terms.
But then came the nerfs. The restrictions. The gatekeeping. And just like that, an entire playstyle started dying out in multiplayer.

And I get it. I really do. For some, Oakensoul was a blessing.
It was fun. It felt good. It made ESO more accessible, more engaging, even magical for a time.

But now? Zenimax doesn’t seem to care about those players anymore, not when it comes to group content. And most of the community? They don’t care either.
Because Oakensoul can’t parse 180k DPS... right?

But for the solo player… it’s perfect the way it is.

edit:
All you really need is an Arcanist.
One-bar Arcanist is welcome anywhere any place, any time. Why?
Because it can parse 131k DPS on a single bar. No Oakensoul. No training wheels. Just raw numbers.
skinnycheeks - 1-bar-beam

But Oakensoul?
Not welcome. Not because it breaks the game. Not because it ruins mechanics. But because it’s fun. Because it’s easy. Because it doesn't push players to spend more money chasing meta builds.

Oakensoul can’t parse 131k DPS.
So it’s dismissed. Shoved into a solo corner. Forgotten in group play.
Even if it brought people joy. Even if it gave players, casual, disabled, or just plain tired a way to play on their own terms, Arcanist is profitable. Oakensoul is not.

That’s the real reason. And it hurts.

This is flat wrong. I see this a lot. Maybe in some groups, sure. In my vet and hm trials group, the lead doesn't want them but that's not true everywhere. In my social guild we're taking all players that want to learn into vet trial content. Oakensoul, whatever build you want. No dps parse required. And we're clearing content. VKA, vRG, vSE. Not vDSR yet, but were teaching them. We'll be in the new trial tomorrow, though I've only cleared once. So there's places to go to play harder content with whatever build you want. Maybe not all groups but we're here.

Asikoo · June 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

This is flat wrong. I see this a lot. Maybe in some groups, sure. In my vet and hm trials group, the lead doesn't want them but that's not true everywhere. In my social guild we're taking all players that want to learn into vet trial content. Oakensoul, whatever build you want. No dps parse required. And we're clearing content. VKA, vRG, vSE. Not vDSR yet, but were teaching them. We'll be in the new trial tomorrow, though I've only cleared once. So there's places to go to play harder content with whatever build you want. Maybe not all groups but we're here.

You and everyone else can say whatever you want, but the facts remain:

This is just a game.
Onebar Arcanist can parse 130k+.
Oakensoul users, especially those who genuinely need it for whatever reason are constantly rejected.

Subclassing didn’t come to balance the game. It was introduced so elite players can parse nearly 200k, while everyone else gets pushed to the sidelines.

And what about the players with real challenges? Apparently, they’re just not good enough to play this game anymore.

twisttop138 · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

This is flat wrong. I see this a lot. Maybe in some groups, sure. In my vet and hm trials group, the lead doesn't want them but that's not true everywhere. In my social guild we're taking all players that want to learn into vet trial content. Oakensoul, whatever build you want. No dps parse required. And we're clearing content. VKA, vRG, vSE. Not vDSR yet, but were teaching them. We'll be in the new trial tomorrow, though I've only cleared once. So there's places to go to play harder content with whatever build you want. Maybe not all groups but we're here.

You and everyone else can say whatever you want, but the facts remain:
This is just a game.

Onebar Arcanist can parse 130k+.

Oakensoul users, especially those who genuinely need it for whatever reason are constantly rejected.

Subclassing didn’t come to balance the game. It was introduced so elite players can parse nearly 200k, while everyone else gets pushed to the sidelines.

And what about the players with real challenges? Apparently, they’re just not good enough to play this game anymore.

You're making these sweeping generalisations. There are plenty of places for people to go. I gave 1 example but my guild is not the only one. Players with challenges are welcome. One of our raiders is deaf. My wife is an oakensoul build, needed for carpal tunnel. Is it true that some people won't be welcome in some groups? Sure. Some groups won't take me because my parse is only 120 now with subclassing, I don't let that stop me. If people want to play the content, there is places for them full stop.

Asikoo · June 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

You're making these sweeping generalisations. There are plenty of places for people to go. I gave 1 example but my guild is not the only one. Players with challenges are welcome. One of our raiders is deaf. My wife is an oakensoul build, needed for carpal tunnel. Is it true that some people won't be welcome in some groups? Sure. Some groups won't take me because my parse is only 120 now with subclassing, I don't let that stop me. If people want to play the content, there is places for them full stop.

Alright, just let me know when you’re all going to run vRG HM, vDSR HM, vAS+2 HM, or any other hard mode, I’ll be glad to join using Oakensoul.
If I’m not able to join for any reason, I’d really appreciate it if you could let me know why.

Heronisan · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

You're making these sweeping generalisations. There are plenty of places for people to go. I gave 1 example but my guild is not the only one. Players with challenges are welcome. One of our raiders is deaf. My wife is an oakensoul build, needed for carpal tunnel. Is it true that some people won't be welcome in some groups? Sure. Some groups won't take me because my parse is only 120 now with subclassing, I don't let that stop me. If people want to play the content, there is places for them full stop.

Alright, just let me know when you’re all going to run vRG HM, vDSR HM, vAS+2 HM, or any other hard mode, I’ll be glad to join using Oakensoul.
If I’m not able to join for any reason, I’d really appreciate it if you could let me know why.

Someone on first page said they just did a vLC HM 2/3 with all oakensouls. There is very little you cant do with oakenbuilds

You might be the most entitled player i have ever seen, subclassing is also blowing pure classes out of the water, im working very hard on my templar to parse 101-105k in my dungeon setup, this is also all the dps ive used to get almost every dungeon trifecta, and all HM's. On my subclass arcanist, im strugling to break 130k in my dungeon setup.

The fact that you just want to slap on oakensoul hold RT and blow everything other then broken subclass builds out of the water is just disgusting. There is only a fraction of players in this game that can break 140k dps,they are insanely good and you expect to compete with them with literally 0 effort. It would be so broken, everyone who could not parse atleast 100k would almost be forced to put it on, just like when oakensoul first released, and everyone, even endgamers had like 8 oskensorcs in trials getting trifectas for free

If me and my friends slapped on oakensoul we would clap the everloving crap out of every single hardmode dungeon with ease, and do very well in trials, its more then good enough allready

There are other heavy attack builds, when i play, i change skills, abilites depending on what we do all the time in order to complete it, Adapt to the game like the rest of us.

Asikoo · June 23

Heronisan wrote: »

Someone on first page said they just did a vLC HM 2/3 with all oakensouls. There is very little you cant do with oakenbuilds

You might be the most entitled player i have ever seen, subclassing is also blowing pure classes out of the water, im working very hard on my templar to parse 101-105k in my dungeon setup, this is also all the dps ive used to get almost every dungeon trifecta, and all HM's. On my subclass arcanist, im strugling to break 130k in my dungeon setup.

The fact that you just want to slap on oakensoul hold RT and blow everything other then broken subclass builds out of the water is just disgusting. There is only a fraction of players in this game that can break 140k dps,they are insanely good and you expect to compete with them with literally 0 effort. It would be so broken, everyone who could not parse atleast 100k would almost be forced to put it on, just like when oakensoul first released, and everyone, even endgamers had like 8 oskensorcs in trials getting trifectas for free

If me and my friends slapped on oakensoul we would clap the evrloving crap out of every single hardmode dungeon with ease, and do very well in trials, its more then good enough allready

There are other hea y attack builds, when i olay, i change skills, abilites depending on what we do all the time in order to conplete it, Adapt to the game like the rest of us.

I'm not asking for Oakensoul to be the best. I'm asking for it to remain viable for players who need or genuinely benefit from simplified gameplay. There's a difference between chasing top parses and simply wanting fair access to content.

Yes, some players can clear vLC HM or other content with Oakensoul, and that's great. But the reality is many Oakensoul users still face rejection from groups, especially in higher-end content, not because they don’t know mechanics, but because they can’t parse high enough or swap bars efficiently due to physical lag, cognitive limitations or etc.... That’s who I'm speaking up for.

I'm not trying to “slap on Oakensoul and be OP.” I’m saying that subclassing widened the gap, not just in potential DPS, but in expectations, and that has real consequences for inclusivity in the community. When meta performance skyrockets, the baseline of what's considered “acceptable” rises too, and that leaves people behind.

Calling it “just disgusting” that someone would want to use Oakensoul and still contribute to group content really shows the problem. That kind of attitude is exactly why these players are pushed out of the endgame, not by the game itself, but by the community mindset.

You and your friends might destroy hardmode dungeons with Oakensoul, and that’s awesome. But not everyone has your reflexes, your group, or your setup. For some players, Oakensoul isn’t about convenience; it’s their only way to enjoy the game on an equal footing.

Adapting goes both ways, we can ask players to improve, sure, but we should also be willing to keep the game accessible to those who are already doing their best just to be part of it.

DenverRalphy · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

Heronisan wrote: »

Someone on first page said they just did a vLC HM 2/3 with all oakensouls. There is very little you cant do with oakenbuilds

You might be the most entitled player i have ever seen, subclassing is also blowing pure classes out of the water, im working very hard on my templar to parse 101-105k in my dungeon setup, this is also all the dps ive used to get almost every dungeon trifecta, and all HM's. On my subclass arcanist, im strugling to break 130k in my dungeon setup.

The fact that you just want to slap on oakensoul hold RT and blow everything other then broken subclass builds out of the water is just disgusting. There is only a fraction of players in this game that can break 140k dps,they are insanely good and you expect to compete with them with literally 0 effort. It would be so broken, everyone who could not parse atleast 100k would almost be forced to put it on, just like when oakensoul first released, and everyone, even endgamers had like 8 oskensorcs in trials getting trifectas for free

If me and my friends slapped on oakensoul we would clap the evrloving crap out of every single hardmode dungeon with ease, and do very well in trials, its more then good enough allready

There are other hea y attack builds, when i olay, i change skills, abilites depending on what we do all the time in order to conplete it, Adapt to the game like the rest of us.

I'm not asking for Oakensoul to be the best. I'm asking for it to remain viable for players who need or genuinely benefit from simplified gameplay. There's a difference between chasing top parses and simply wanting fair access to content.

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Oakensoul is still viable. It still performs every bit as well as it did before subclassing.

It may have dipped in ranking in some tier list rating BiS gear. But that can be said of any piece of gear. That's just what happens when new gear/skills/mechanics are added to a game. If a player needs to upgrade their performance, there are other perfectly viable options to replace the Oakensoul builds. Even one-bar, one-button, hold down heavy-attack, and storm the castle builds.

Ph1p · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

Heronisan wrote: »

Someone on first page said they just did a vLC HM 2/3 with all oakensouls. There is very little you cant do with oakenbuilds

You might be the most entitled player i have ever seen, subclassing is also blowing pure classes out of the water, im working very hard on my templar to parse 101-105k in my dungeon setup, this is also all the dps ive used to get almost every dungeon trifecta, and all HM's. On my subclass arcanist, im strugling to break 130k in my dungeon setup.

The fact that you just want to slap on oakensoul hold RT and blow everything other then broken subclass builds out of the water is just disgusting. There is only a fraction of players in this game that can break 140k dps,they are insanely good and you expect to compete with them with literally 0 effort. It would be so broken, everyone who could not parse atleast 100k would almost be forced to put it on, just like when oakensoul first released, and everyone, even endgamers had like 8 oskensorcs in trials getting trifectas for free

If me and my friends slapped on oakensoul we would clap the evrloving crap out of every single hardmode dungeon with ease, and do very well in trials, its more then good enough allready

There are other hea y attack builds, when i olay, i change skills, abilites depending on what we do all the time in order to conplete it, Adapt to the game like the rest of us.

I'm not asking for Oakensoul to be the best. [...]

You literally wrote earlier that "[Oakensoul players] don’t want special treatment, they just want to play the game and be part of high-end content like HM trials and trifectas". It was perhaps just hyperbole to make a point, but at face value comes across as a very ironic and entitled request that goes waaaaay beyond improving accessibility.

twisttop138 · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

You're making these sweeping generalisations. There are plenty of places for people to go. I gave 1 example but my guild is not the only one. Players with challenges are welcome. One of our raiders is deaf. My wife is an oakensoul build, needed for carpal tunnel. Is it true that some people won't be welcome in some groups? Sure. Some groups won't take me because my parse is only 120 now with subclassing, I don't let that stop me. If people want to play the content, there is places for them full stop.

Alright, just let me know when you’re all going to run vRG HM, vDSR HM, vAS+2 HM, or any other hard mode, I’ll be glad to join using Oakensoul.
If I’m not able to join for any reason, I’d really appreciate it if you could let me know why.

When we get there I'll let ya know. We're still learning and teaching. I would think though, that it wouldn't be the dps that would exclude someone. With subclassing HA builds are hitting numbers well past what's needed. I would think it would be the inability to do the mechanics. I get the feeling though that you think everybody should be welcome in every group no matter what, and if you're not then it must be super toxic elitists. No one has to invite anyone to play with them. All I'm saying to you is that if you look, you will find the people you're looking for. Or try this. Make a hm team and fill it with oakensoul players. Be the change you want to see instead of waiting for others.

Asikoo · June 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

When we get there I'll let ya know. We're still learning and teaching. I would think though, that it wouldn't be the dps that would exclude someone. With subclassing HA builds are hitting numbers well past what's needed. I would think it would be the inability to do the mechanics. I get the feeling though that you think everybody should be welcome in every group no matter what, and if you're not then it must be super toxic elitists. No one has to invite anyone to play with them. All I'm saying to you is that if you look, you will find the people you're looking for. Or try this. Make a hm team and fill it with oakensoul players. Be the change you want to see instead of waiting for others.

Exactly. You just proved my point. I’m already being excluded, and this is just on the forums. Imagine how it feels in-game when people take the same attitude and turn it into gatekeeping.

Anyway… thanks for showing me where I stand.

twisttop138 · June 23

Asikoo wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

When we get there I'll let ya know. We're still learning and teaching. I would think though, that it wouldn't be the dps that would exclude someone. With subclassing HA builds are hitting numbers well past what's needed. I would think it would be the inability to do the mechanics. I get the feeling though that you think everybody should be welcome in every group no matter what, and if you're not then it must be super toxic elitists. No one has to invite anyone to play with them. All I'm saying to you is that if you look, you will find the people you're looking for. Or try this. Make a hm team and fill it with oakensoul players. Be the change you want to see instead of waiting for others.

Exactly. You just proved my point. I’m already being excluded, and this is just on the forums. Imagine how it feels in-game when people take the same attitude and turn it into gatekeeping.

Anyway… thanks for showing me where I stand.

Look it's obvious we're not going to agree, as you seem to only see what you want. No where does anything I said prove your point tho. I'm saying there's groups that won't exclude you. You just need to do the work and find them. Just because you're a player does not mean you have to be accepted into any group. This is true of life as well. No one owes you anything. If you're serious about it though, then make a group. That way you make the rules. I think I'm starting to see though, why you may be having a hard time finding people to play with.

valenwood_vegan · June 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

I would think though, that it wouldn't be the dps that would exclude someone. I would think it would be the inability to do the mechanics.

Or the way one interacts with others. Certainly in my own experience, there are all sorts of groups willing to take off-meta or inexperienced players on runs, but generally not those who cause drama.

Asikoo · June 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

Look it's obvious we're not going to agree, as you seem to only see what you want. No where does anything I said prove your point tho. I'm saying there's groups that won't exclude you. You just need to do the work and find them. Just because you're a player does not mean you have to be accepted into any group. This is true of life as well. No one owes you anything. If you're serious about it though, then make a group. That way you make the rules. I think I'm starting to see though, why you may be having a hard time finding people to play with.

You're right, we probably won’t agree. But just because you say what you wrote doesn’t prove my point doesn’t make it true. Telling someone they’re being excluded because of their attitude while ignoring the broader issue of accessibility does prove the point, it's a shift of blame away from the system and onto the individual.

You say “just find a group” like it’s easy. For many players with limitations, that’s not realistic. And no, no one is owed a spot in any group, but when exclusion becomes systemic based on "Oakensoul" alone, that’s a community problem, not just a personal one.

Telling someone to “just make your own group” also assumes they have the time, energy, or social connections to do so, again, not something everyone can easily manage. That’s why empathy matters.

But thanks for reinforcing what a lot of us already feel: we’re not really welcome unless we meet someone else’s idea of “worthy.” That’s the issue and it goes far beyond just me.

twisttop138 · June 23

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I would think though, that it wouldn't be the dps that would exclude someone. I would think it would be the inability to do the mechanics.

Or the way one interacts with others. Certainly in my own experience, there are all sorts of groups willing to take off-meta or inexperienced players on runs, but generally not those who cause drama.

Oh most definitely! In that comment, he had asked about the group we're running through vet content in a social guild I'm in. In that instance, I didn't think build would be the deciding factor, but inability to execute mechanics, but I don't think that would stop us. You're hitting right on the point I'm trying to make though, that we're out here, groups that don't care about your oakensoul build. Can we defeat the hardest trifectas in the game? Idk, we haven't tried.