Me and My friends love for this Game dropped a lot today. New Crown Crates

twistedodean14 · June 20

Dear Zos,

I've been playing ESO for almost Nine Years now. And honestly I consider my self to be a casual player. Yes, I do trials and DLC dungeons but not religiously. I enjoy Multiple aspects of the game, Like questing, hosting guild events, helping new players and even ToT (but I quit that because of the scoring system, somewhat rigged rng). Most of all I'm into housing (the real endgame) and eso fashion. Now those two aspects of the game are extremely expensive when it comes to gold and actual cash spent. I see the new Crown Crates Package and I finally saw some stuff that I really wanted, only to realize that content is locked behind another piece of content that's extremely expensive and hard to get. Now, if I buy 25 crates I usually get garbage and no more than lets say 150 -170 gems. Now considering my Bad RNG (I've gotten 1 or 2 Apex drops. in around nine years, I just get single page drops), If I buy 25 crates which is Equivalent to 150 gems on average for me... And it cost me $65 US for 25 crates... And the mount I need to buy to unlock the other mounts cost 2500 Gems, I would need to buy around 425 Crates to get the amount of Gems need to get that mount. Which means I would have to spend around $1100 to buy this mount... Seriously? I'm just apathetic at this point.

I take breaks from the game especially If an update comes out that I don't like. And there were times I feel like quitting over bad rng (when farming) or other issues in the Game. However at this point, I don't think a break is enough. Why? You guys are always accused of being greedy and anti consumer, and I typically don't pay much attention to that stuff. But this move, along with the other aspects of crown crates and gems takes the cake. I am not here to bash, But I and many of my friends I currently play the game with are extremely disappointed. I think I'll play the content in the Season pass, End it there. I enjoyed the game very much and I believe players should support a game they love, but ZoS, I am realizing that you don't love the community. I think If the Game has a dedicated community, the devs and management should at least be reasonable and considerate of the players and community. Which is not something you guys do. I'm no whale and ESO is not a job for me. So I will never get those mounts or polymorphs. I can accept that, but we the players aren't just an infinite money glitch. We are people that love the Art you guys put out. And I feel like you don't see us players as people, but more so just a source of money to farm and that's it. It's clear via the monetization practices including this most recent one showed me in a visceral way, the game studio doesn't love and appreciate the players and community. I just wanted to share my thoughts on this situation.

Pixiepumpkin · June 20

My families feelings exactly.

Wife said to me before we went to sleep last night "Well, I don't think we'll be playing ESO much in the future".
We have no desire to stop playing, but actions like the "free" senche, an update in U46 that is essentially made mostly of recycled content on top of other problems we have with Zenimax Online and their development of Elder Scrolls Online, we feel we are being pushed out.

Hapexamendios · June 20

I don't do any gambling with the Crown Crates for the reasons you've listed. They're just not worth it.

Pixiepumpkin · June 20

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I don't do any gambling with the Crown Crates for the reasons you've listed. They're just not worth it.

I 100% agree with you. The problem however for many of us is that we came from games like World of Warcraft where 99% of the mounts, outfits, weapons, etc etc are all offered in game through normal gameplay. The cost is 15 a month or 250,000 gold roughly for a game time token.

Coming to ESO, I expected much of the same. Rewards awarded when playing the game through normal activities, excpet that ESO rarely offers these kinds of rewards. Instead, they are offered through gamble crates in the form of Crown Crates.

The issue is that many of us, as part of our gameplay, like to dress up our main characters and myriad of alts with outfits, weapon skins, mounts, I mean cosmetics as a whole and the primary means in which to obtain these items is through the crown store and then the primary reason to obtain these items is through the Crown Crates.

When I make a new character, the first thing I do is fix their camera settings and the other UI stuff I need to enable or disable, then I port them to one of my homes, get some gold out of the bank and I create an outfit for them. I do this before I even engage the first monster. I know many other players who do the same.

For many of us, as "optional" as the crown crate items are, they are not really optional for how we play the game. ZOS understands this. It's why the system is made the way it is, and its why many people claim it's predatory.

spartaxoxo · June 20

Yeah. I'm not happy about this mount and will not be buying it. I'm also not really into crown crates as much in general anymore. I think they lowered the rng a while back and new crates haven't been nearly as good. But I can't be sure because there's nowhere to view the odds of the different crates.

licenturion · June 20

I live in Belgium, so crown crates are disabled and invisible over here because we have strict gambling laws and anti-consumer exploitation laws here.

That said, players should just unite and don't buy stuff if you are against practices like this.

If this happens long enough prices will drop eventually.

I have seen this happen in other games as well.

But if people complain and buy regardless, nothing will ever change.

LadyAstrum · June 20

licenturion wrote: »

I live in Belgium, so crown crates are disabled and invisible over here because we have strict gambling laws and anti-consumer exploitation laws here.

That said, players should just unite and don't buy stuff if you are against practices like this.

If this happens long enough prices will drop eventually.

I have seen this happen in other games as well.

But if people complain and buy regardless, nothing will ever change.

Hopefully, other countries will follow in good time.

I have breaks from ESO now and again, then return and play for a few months or so. It seems like every time I return the gem prices have increased and the crown crate RNG offerings are worse. This is my perspective, but I just shake my head at half of what I see.

I love this game, but not the marketing stratagem that powers the store.

barney2525 · June 20

you gotta be kidding me

I have bought the 25 crates twice. without having bought any previously, both times I got 350 - 400 gems. Both times was to get an apex and both times got enough gems to get it.

I can't imagine 25 crates giving less than 200

IMHO

method__01 · June 20

I've stopped buying crates-crown packs and other CS cosmetics years ago and using crowns from sub to get any house i like
tosh money into empty boxes with an RNG (lol) change ? never gonna happen

Snamyap · June 20

I stopped playing a while ago. Did they put in something exceptionally greedy? Because the crown store and gamble boxes have been a bad deal for years.

ShutUpitsRed · June 20

Agree. Even if it doesn't disrupt my "gameplay" these business practices give me enough of the ick to put me off the whole game.

colossalvoids · June 20

Glad more people are realising what's going. And generally if you do feel that the company you're paying for something isn't working in your best interests and feels like an enemy and not a partner it's always better getting your money to other places.

Major_Toughness · June 20

I don't get why this, now? It's been the same for years, and this is the one crate season which actually gives you more than normal IF you get lucky.

I would argue it's better value than every other crown crate.

I buy the 25 Crate bundle most the time and none else, they buy what I want with gems or seals.

Iriidius · June 20

Mounts costing 2500 crown gems are better bought with 16000seals of endeavour as the ratio between seals and crowngem is 6.4 to 1 while for mounts costing 8000 seals or 400 crowngems it is 20 to 1 and for things costing 1000 seals or 16 crowngems it is 62.5 to 1.
Taking your probably to high cost of 1100$ each weekly endeavour would be worthabout 20€ which would still take a year to get enaugh seals or a half if you do also the daily ones.
But should better not let the game manipulate you into spending more time or money than you want with their „do it now or never“tactic especially when many things come back and inactive players miss out too.

Pixiepumpkin · June 20

Snamyap wrote: »

I stopped playing a while ago. Did they put in something exceptionally greedy? Because the crown store and gamble boxes have been a bad deal for years.

Well, folks are not overly happy with the requirements for a "free" mount. That is part of it I am guessing.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/679286/akatosh-living-armor-senche-free/p1

twistedodean14 · June 20

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

My families feelings exactly.

Wife said to me before we went to sleep last night "Well, I don't think we'll be playing ESO much in the future".
We have no desire to stop playing, but actions like the "free" senche, an update in U46 that is essentially made mostly of recycled content on top of other problems we have with Zenimax Online and their development of Elder Scrolls Online, we feel we are being pushed out.

Man... I totally get it. And I mean recycling content aside, people have complained about this stuff for years. And if anything, things seems to have gotten worse. I don't even have a ton of friends who still play, just a small group of us. And its like this thing where there is a cycle of players leaving either because of really bad updates or bad monetization practices. Most the guilds I've been apart of is dead and I have to keep finding new guilds. It feels like player retention isn't the goal of ZoS.

twistedodean14 · June 20

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Yeah. I'm not happy about this mount and will not be buying it. I'm also not really into crown crates as much in general anymore. I think they lowered the rng a while back and new crates haven't been nearly as good. But I can't be sure because there's nowhere to view the odds of the different crates.

Yeah, true.

twistedodean14 · June 20

licenturion wrote: »

I live in Belgium, so crown crates are disabled and invisible over here because we have strict gambling laws and anti-consumer exploitation laws here.

That said, players should just unite and don't buy stuff if you are against practices like this.

If this happens long enough prices will drop eventually.

I have seen this happen in other games as well.

But if people complain and buy regardless, nothing will ever change.

That's interesting, I didn't know that. I learned something new today. I think the problem in the US in particular is this strange thing about brand loyalty. Where people here have this thing of spending enormous amounts on companies, even though they know the product is subpar, they are being exploited or they are trying to keep up with the joneses. Also, I know a lot of whales that play ESO that spend hundreds a month in the crown store.

twistedodean14 · June 20

barney2525 wrote: »

you gotta be kidding me

I have bought the 25 crates twice. without having bought any previously, both times I got 350 - 400 gems. Both times was to get an apex and both times got enough gems to get it.

I can't imagine 25 crates giving less than 200

IMHO

Yeah...

I tend to get a lot of trash and style pages. I was usually happy with just the style pages I get opening crates. And I'll use gems and endeavors to get they rest to complete the look.

twistedodean14 · June 20

Snamyap wrote: »

I stopped playing a while ago. Did they put in something exceptionally greedy? Because the crown store and gamble boxes have been a bad deal for years.

Yeah.. this one is pretty bad

tsaescishoeshiner · June 20

It's fine to want rare cosmetics to be more affordable, but in the end, does it make sense to like the whole game less over it? For someone who enjoys the game to stop enjoying it because one day there's a mount they don't think is worth getting just seems like a perspective issue, or getting too attached to an item you don't want to pay for. It's still the same game even without a particular shiny Crown item.

I don't mean to blame you for valid issues with their pricing and their attempts to squeeze money out of mega-whales, as I said the critique there makes sense. But if there's so much disappointment about not having a rare mount that it overwhelms the joys of the content, the world, and the in-game community, to me that's an issue of being too attached to what we don't have.

Personally, I think they shouldn't be a Radiant and an Apex reward to get those extra mounts, because it takes too many Endeavors, and the RNG/Gem droprate OP mentioned is an issue. They should at least be easier to get together for people who appreciate the Crown Store so much. Although I think some players will really enjoy the extra exclusivity.

twistedodean14 · June 20

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's fine to want rare cosmetics to be more affordable, but in the end, does it make sense to like the whole game less over it? For someone who enjoys the game to stop enjoying it because one day there's a mount they don't think is worth getting just seems like a perspective issue, or getting too attached to an item you don't want to pay for. It's still the same game even without a particular shiny Crown item.

I don't mean to blame you for valid issues with their pricing and their attempts to squeeze money out of mega-whales, as I said the critique there makes sense. But if there's so much disappointment about not having a rare mount that it overwhelms the joys of the content, the world, and the in-game community, to me that's an issue of being too attached to what we don't have.

Personally, I think they shouldn't be a Radiant and an Apex reward to get those extra mounts, because it takes too many Endeavors, and the RNG/Gem droprate OP mentioned is an issue. They should at least be easier to get together for people who appreciate the Crown Store so much. Although I think some players will really enjoy the extra exclusivity.

I don't think you got the point of my post. It's not about not being able to get my hands on a mount from the crown store and quitting as a result. That's a over simplification. A mount I don't think is worth getting? The Mount Cost around $1100 dollars to get. That's rent and mortgage payment money. How has that not sunk in? 1k for a mount that cannot be earned in game. And others are locked behind getting that mount. The major issues are that they don't care about the players and community. And they have been accused of being greedy, so what they did with that the current crown crates to me reinforces that. Not only that, I am tired the constant cycle of starting over when it comes the people I play with. I'm tired of the really bad rng I have farming or doing other stuff in the game. I'm not a grind gamer who religiously gets up every day to get on eso and do the same grind for hours over and over again. I'm not the type that runs around in craglorn for 3 hours to get one Potent nirncrux. It's a build up of multiple things. This move is the massive rock that broke the camels back when a simple strand of straw was all that was needed.

sarahthes · June 20

twistedodean14 wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's fine to want rare cosmetics to be more affordable, but in the end, does it make sense to like the whole game less over it? For someone who enjoys the game to stop enjoying it because one day there's a mount they don't think is worth getting just seems like a perspective issue, or getting too attached to an item you don't want to pay for. It's still the same game even without a particular shiny Crown item.

I don't mean to blame you for valid issues with their pricing and their attempts to squeeze money out of mega-whales, as I said the critique there makes sense. But if there's so much disappointment about not having a rare mount that it overwhelms the joys of the content, the world, and the in-game community, to me that's an issue of being too attached to what we don't have.

Personally, I think they shouldn't be a Radiant and an Apex reward to get those extra mounts, because it takes too many Endeavors, and the RNG/Gem droprate OP mentioned is an issue. They should at least be easier to get together for people who appreciate the Crown Store so much. Although I think some players will really enjoy the extra exclusivity.

I don't think you got the point of my post. It's not about not being able to get my hands on a mount from the crown store and quitting as a result. That's a over simplification. A mount I don't think is worth getting? The Mount Cost around $1100 dollars to get. That's rent and mortgage payment money. How has that not sunk in? 1k for a mount that cannot be earned in game. And others are locked behind getting that mount. The major issues are that they don't care about the players and community. And they have been accused of being greedy, so what they did with that the current crown crates to me reinforces that. Not only that, I am tired the constant cycle of starting over when it comes the people I play with. I'm tired of the really bad rng I have farming or doing other stuff in the game. I'm not a grind gamer who religiously gets up every day to get on eso and do the same grind for hours over and over again. I'm not the type that runs around in craglorn for 3 hours to get one Potent nirncrux. It's a build up of multiple things. This move is the massive rock that broke the camels back when a simple strand of straw was all that was needed.

I got all 3 by using a mix of endeavors and gems. I bought a single 21K crowns pack, which I buy 2-4x a year anyway, this wasn't an "extra" purchase for me. This got me the gems I needed for the polymorphs (both of which I actually really like, some people were using them in raid yesterday). And endeavors for the mount.

Elsonso · June 20

Obligatory: Just say NO to Crown Crates.

There is nothing in a Crown Crate that a player cannot live without.

Snamyap · June 20

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's fine to want rare cosmetics to be more affordable, but in the end, does it make sense to like the whole game less over it?

There is a difference between being treated as a customer, and being treated as a cash cow. No matter how good a product is, the latter will make me walk away from it. As I walked away from ESO.

sarahthes · June 20

Elsonso wrote: »

Obligatory: Just say NO to Crown Crates.

There is nothing in a Crown Crate that a player cannot live without.

I agree, actually. I'm pretty picky about when I want to actually spend money on getting gems to get something (which is how I see it - I don't expect to get a radiant apex from crates themselves). I think I have a grand total of 6 or 7 radiant apex mounts across almost 7 years of playing ESO, and 3 of them are from endeavors.

Razmirra · June 20

That new outfit should not be 400 gems / 8,000 seals but in the 100 gem category. The same can go for what we had with the Dancer personality.

twistedodean14 · June 20

Elsonso wrote: »

Obligatory: Just say NO to Crown Crates.

There is nothing in a Crown Crate that a player cannot live without.

Normally, I ignore comments like this. Mainly because they are stupid and inflammatory, but they lay the foundation toxicity in forums. But I want to use this to demonstrate a point. This not an eso issue. At this point it's a modern gamer issue.

I don't need you to tell me I don't need crown crates. I don't need eso plus. Shoot I don't need ESO in general. What's your point? Cause it seems min went over your head.

To quote Rich lambert " You don't have to buy it". Your comment reinforces that mentality, where ZoS refuses to do anything outside time consuming content and cosmetics. While basic features like a mini-map is not included in the game. Cause players like you. I'm curious, can ZoS do anything in the game that would make you quit?

You're not affected by the crown store good for you. Some folks are.

Adaarye · June 20

LadyAstrum wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

I live in Belgium, so crown crates are disabled and invisible over here because we have strict gambling laws and anti-consumer exploitation laws here.

That said, players should just unite and don't buy stuff if you are against practices like this.

If this happens long enough prices will drop eventually.

I have seen this happen in other games as well.

But if people complain and buy regardless, nothing will ever change.

Hopefully, other countries will follow in good time.

I have breaks from ESO now and again, then return and play for a few months or so. It seems like every time I return the gem prices have increased and the crown crate RNG offerings are worse. This is my perspective, but I just shake my head at half of what I see.

I love this game, but not the marketing stratagem that powers the store.

Because the crates were on sale couple of weeks ago, I treated myself to 2 25 packs. I had saved some of my plus crowns and purchased some crowns to do so.

OMG the drop rates are horrid! I don't know if it was because I bought the plus discounted crates or what. To add insult to injury, I got several pieces of crafted furniture. I was sickened.

Because of the stellar reduction in the value included in crown crates, I am done with them.

50 crates and not one mount, many blue items and at least 5 or 6 crafted furniture items. *smh*

I did get most of the outfit pieces I wanted but I still had to use gems for the boots. There were soooo many blue cards. Gold cards are more rare than rockin' horse poop, lol.

Lesson learned, finally. I am speaking with my wallet. No more crown crates.

twistedodean14 · June 20

sarahthes wrote: »

twistedodean14 wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's fine to want rare cosmetics to be more affordable, but in the end, does it make sense to like the whole game less over it? For someone who enjoys the game to stop enjoying it because one day there's a mount they don't think is worth getting just seems like a perspective issue, or getting too attached to an item you don't want to pay for. It's still the same game even without a particular shiny Crown item.

I don't mean to blame you for valid issues with their pricing and their attempts to squeeze money out of mega-whales, as I said the critique there makes sense. But if there's so much disappointment about not having a rare mount that it overwhelms the joys of the content, the world, and the in-game community, to me that's an issue of being too attached to what we don't have.

Personally, I think they shouldn't be a Radiant and an Apex reward to get those extra mounts, because it takes too many Endeavors, and the RNG/Gem droprate OP mentioned is an issue. They should at least be easier to get together for people who appreciate the Crown Store so much. Although I think some players will really enjoy the extra exclusivity.

I don't think you got the point of my post. It's not about not being able to get my hands on a mount from the crown store and quitting as a result. That's a over simplification. A mount I don't think is worth getting? The Mount Cost around $1100 dollars to get. That's rent and mortgage payment money. How has that not sunk in? 1k for a mount that cannot be earned in game. And others are locked behind getting that mount. The major issues are that they don't care about the players and community. And they have been accused of being greedy, so what they did with that the current crown crates to me reinforces that. Not only that, I am tired the constant cycle of starting over when it comes the people I play with. I'm tired of the really bad rng I have farming or doing other stuff in the game. I'm not a grind gamer who religiously gets up every day to get on eso and do the same grind for hours over and over again. I'm not the type that runs around in craglorn for 3 hours to get one Potent nirncrux. It's a build up of multiple things. This move is the massive rock that broke the camels back when a simple strand of straw was all that was needed.

I got all 3 by using a mix of endeavors and gems. I bought a single 21K crowns pack, which I buy 2-4x a year anyway, this wasn't an "extra" purchase for me. This got me the gems I needed for the polymorphs (both of which I actually really like, some people were using them in raid yesterday). And endeavors for the mount.

Good for you, I don't spend hours everyday grinding endeavors for months. I certainly don't have you and others God level RNG to Get an insane amount of Gems or Great drops. And I am certainly not Going spend hundreds to on crates to get those Gems. I'll pass on trying to over compensate for *** monetary practices with my time and money. Then again, A lot of folks don't see the bigger picture or care to. I get the impression you're one of those. You don't need to justify your purchase to anyone.

twistedodean14 · June 20

Adaarye wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

I live in Belgium, so crown crates are disabled and invisible over here because we have strict gambling laws and anti-consumer exploitation laws here.

That said, players should just unite and don't buy stuff if you are against practices like this.

If this happens long enough prices will drop eventually.

I have seen this happen in other games as well.

But if people complain and buy regardless, nothing will ever change.

Hopefully, other countries will follow in good time.

I have breaks from ESO now and again, then return and play for a few months or so. It seems like every time I return the gem prices have increased and the crown crate RNG offerings are worse. This is my perspective, but I just shake my head at half of what I see.

I love this game, but not the marketing stratagem that powers the store.

Because the crates were on sale couple of weeks ago, I treated myself to 2 25 packs. I had saved some of my plus crowns and purchased some crowns to do so.

OMG the drop rates are horrid! I don't know if it was because I bought the plus discounted crates or what. To add insult to injury, I got several pieces of crafted furniture. I was sickened.

Because of the stellar reduction in the value included in crown crates, I am done with them.

50 crates and not one mount, many blue items and at least 5 or 6 crafted furniture items. *smh*

I did get most of the outfit pieces I wanted but I still had to use gems for the boots. There were soooo many blue cards. Gold cards are more rare than rockin' horse poop, lol.

Lesson learned, finally. I am speaking with my wallet. No more crown crates.

Yeah that's tough

. Imagine doing that for years under the impression that you're just supporting a game you love.