Well, it finally happened. I won't be renewing my ESO+ subscription.
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I saved seals, and intended to buy crates, for Akatosh vs Alduin. The mounts looked so cool and I was so excited to reach my seal goal.
24,000 seals to get one, because you have to get the most expensive one (via gems) first AS WELL AS the corresponding living armor polymorph. That's assuming you have the seals in the first place. Rolling via actually buying the crates in hopes of getting one of these mounts is so much worse than the already awful drop rate.
Absolutely disgusting, ZOS. I've put up with a lot of crap over the years because I love this game, but this takes the cake.
This is a personal vent and I understand that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I also know I'm not the only one infuriated by this.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on June 19, 2025 9:59PM 24,000 seals to get one, because you have to get the most expensive one (via gems) first AS WELL AS the corresponding living armor polymorph. That's assuming you have the seals in the first place. Rolling via actually buying the crates in hopes of getting one of these mounts is so much worse than the already awful drop rate.
Absolutely disgusting, ZOS. I've put up with a lot of crap over the years because I love this game, but this takes the cake.
This is a personal vent and I understand that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I also know I'm not the only one infuriated by this.
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✭✭They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game."Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes70 -
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✭✭✭Pixiepumpkin wrote: »They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game.
There are quite a few mounts that don't require money other than buying chapters. Some of them are pretty nice looking.9 -
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✭✭They're in addition to what was already there in the Crates in the beginning. It's literally extra stuff compared to previous Crown Crates. If you're going to complain, don't complain about the "get 1 free" part; complain about the whole concept of Crown Crates in general.
EDIT: Hijacking this to point to code65536's explanation on why this discussion about the new mount cosmetics is absurd.
Edited by HatchetHaro on June 20, 2025 10:25PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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6x IR, 6x GH, 7x TTT, 4x GS, 4x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 1x Unchained18 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
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How does it attempt to circumvent the gambling ban?
These crates are no worse ethically than any of the other crates they've sold over the years.5 -
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How does it attempt to circumvent the gambling ban?
These crates are no worse ethically than any of the other crates they've sold over the years.
You have to get 2 high-end stuff to get something you cannot get otherwise. It raises the need for gem, thus raises the need to buy crates. So, it is made with the intent of selling more gambling items.
Now, I'm not trying to convince you, since you'll never, ever be. Let's leave it at that.Edited by preevious on June 19, 2025 5:02PM22 -
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How does it attempt to circumvent the gambling ban?
These crates are no worse ethically than any of the other crates they've sold over the years.
You have to get 2 high-end stuff to get something you cannot get otherwise. It raises the need for gem, thus raises the need to buy crates. So, it is made with the intent of selling more gambling items.
Now, I'm not trying to convince you, since you'll never, ever be. Let's leave it at that.
I just don't see it as any different to any of the other things they've done with crates and crown store purchases at all. I've only ever chased a mount once, and by the time I got it I had literally everything else from the same crates, so it doesn't seem like it would be any different this time since if you're aiming for a radiant apex you've likely already gotten the polymorphs and other lower tier rewards, or enough gems to buy them.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
They affect gameplay. This could have been the reward for a difficult achievement. People say "fashion is the true endgame in ESO". They are not joking about that. Cosmetics are the reward for completing gameplay activities and every cosmetic in the store, is one reason less to actually be playing the game.
I am pretty sure this is the first time the game asks you to make a purchase for a different item before making the actual purchase. You can buy all the houses in DLC locations without owning the DLC. The purchases of furnishing packs aren't tied to specific houses. All the fully evolved event cosmetics come with prerequisites but aren't themself available in the crown store.
While I'm glad these mounts are "free", trying to get people to spend more seals/gems/crowns than they otherwise would have is, in my opinion, disgusting. Especially since we are talking about gambling crates here. Another new low in the game of crownstore dignity limbo.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.28 -
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Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂Just help me understand this, please: how the hell is it free if I still have to spend money?!
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
Edited by Asikoo on June 19, 2025 5:16PM35 -
cozmic72✭✭✭Agreed this is a blatant cash grab. Glad I don’t care for the look of any of the items and will not be buying crates this round.29
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Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
There's a new mythic that seems explicitly designed for solo play and that is far stronger than oakensoul.1 -
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Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
There's a new mythic that seems explicitly designed for solo play and that is far stronger than oakensoul.
oO? heim!?0 -
Jlopguk✭✭✭It's very difficult to get stamps, and you can earn 2,350 marks per month, which means that you will complete all the daily tasks. and now you have 24,000 stamps in 10 months. 10, Carl, do you understand, Carl? 10.... During this period, the teletubby hatches.
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Except the individual price of 2 out of 3 radiant apex mounts was raised by 50%.
But sure, no different than any other crate season. /sThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.15 -
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Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
There's a new mythic that seems explicitly designed for solo play and that is far stronger than oakensoul.
No, Oakensoul is better for solo play as you need all the defensive and regen buffs. The new mythic is better for HA group builds."Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes5 -
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Except the individual price of 2 out of 3 radiant apex mounts was raised by 50%.
But sure, no different than any other crate season. /s
That happens frequently.1 -
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Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
There's a new mythic that seems explicitly designed for solo play and that is far stronger than oakensoul.
Which Mythic would that be?0 -
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✭✭Pixiepumpkin wrote: »They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game.
There are quite a few mounts that don't require money other than buying chapters. Some of them are pretty nice looking.
Irrelevant and does not address my post."Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes11 -
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✭✭✭Grizzbeorn wrote: »
Do the devs even understand how ridiculous all of this is?- The game isn’t fun anymore...
- It’s all about DPS meters now.
- Zero change for solo play. Literally zero.
And this is what ZoS does?! 😂
lol?! Out-of-season joke?
There's a new mythic that seems explicitly designed for solo play and that is far stronger than oakensoul.
Which Mythic would that be?
Rakkhat's Voidmantle.0 -
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ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I saved seals, and intended to buy crates, for Akatosh vs Alduin. The mounts looked so cool and I was so excited to reach my seal goal.
24,000 seals to get one, because you have to get the most expensive one (via gems) first AS WELL AS the corresponding living armor polymorph. That's assuming you have the seals in the first place. Rolling via actually buying the crates in hopes of getting one of these mounts is so much worse than the already awful drop rate.
Absolutely disgusting, ZOS. I've put up with a lot of crap over the years because I love this game, but this takes the cake.
This is a personal vent and I understand that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I also know I'm not the only one infuriated by this ***.
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✭✭✭Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Pixiepumpkin wrote: »They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game.
There are quite a few mounts that don't require money other than buying chapters. Some of them are pretty nice looking.
Irrelevant and does not address my post.
I mentioned that you don't need to spend money to get attractive mounts. I don't see how that's irrelevant to you complaining about spending money on attractive mounts.6 -
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Except the individual price of 2 out of 3 radiant apex mounts was raised by 50%.
But sure, no different than any other crate season. /s
That happens frequently.
"Frequently". That hasn't happened since their inception, but sure. The first Radiant Apex Mounts came in the Reaper's Harvest crates and were made available with gems and seals in 2021 (that's 4 years ago) and they were prices the same as any other Radiant Apex since. So no, they do not "frequently" raise the prices of these. Stop lying.
The only argument you have here is that this is a result of inflation, but considering that crown prices go up along with inflation, even that doesn't hold.
Edit: fixed the timeline of when the Radiant Apex mounts were made available for direct purchaseEdited by Ratzkifal on June 19, 2025 6:02PMThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.15 -
CalamityCat✭✭✭✭A blatant and predatory cash grab, especially with the gambling of crown crates. The "rewards" don't even look like anyone cared to make something nice or special. Quite the opposite. I wouldn't buy those even if they were 100 seals in the store
Of course crown crates have always been bad. But this is taking it to another level and therefore yes, I'll say this is predatory. The sort of tactics that I'd expect from a crappy free game, which is pretty sad IMHO.25 -
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Except the individual price of 2 out of 3 radiant apex mounts was raised by 50%.
But sure, no different than any other crate season. /s
That happens frequently.
"Frequently". That hasn't happened since their inception, but sure. The Dwarven Crates, the 3rd season of crown crates we got (in 2017, that's 7 years ago), was the first to have Radiant Apex drops which are 600 gems and 10k seals respectively. Ever since the 4th crate season, the Reaper's Harvest crates, the gem and seal prices are as they are now. So no, they do not "frequently" raise the prices of these. Stop lying.
The only argument you have here is that this is a result of inflation, but considering that crown prices go up along with inflation, even that doesn't hold..
Do you have a link to radiant apex gem and endeavor prices for the past crate seasons somewhere? Because every time I have looked, the prices for each mount have differed.1 -
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✭✭Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Pixiepumpkin wrote: »They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game.
There are quite a few mounts that don't require money other than buying chapters. Some of them are pretty nice looking.
Irrelevant and does not address my post.
I mentioned that you don't need to spend money to get attractive mounts. I don't see how that's irrelevant to you complaining about spending money on attractive mounts.
Becuase I did not argue about spending money on attractive mounts. You statedThey're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
And I corrected you on the fact that not everyone plays the same way you do. Some people play for cosmetics, which does affect their gameplay.
Suggesting that players can get a handful of mounts in game does not negate what you said, inferring that everyone plays like you do."Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes11 -
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It's not a matter of opinion that this works different to others crates. No other crate items have required the purchase of another crate item.23 -
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✭✭✭Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Pixiepumpkin wrote: »Pixiepumpkin wrote: »They're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
No, they don't affect YOUR gameplay. Some people play MMORPG's to collect tons of armor and mounts, to create a style and look for their main and alts characters. When these "cosmetics" cost, I dunna....$500.00 to obtain in a game we already paid for, in a chapter we already paid for with a subscription we already paid for...well then ya, customers like the OP have a right to complain because it absolutely affects how they play the game.
There are quite a few mounts that don't require money other than buying chapters. Some of them are pretty nice looking.
Irrelevant and does not address my post.
I mentioned that you don't need to spend money to get attractive mounts. I don't see how that's irrelevant to you complaining about spending money on attractive mounts.
Becuase I did not argue about spending money on attractive mounts. You statedThey're cosmetics.
They don't affect gameplay in any way.
And I corrected you on the fact that not everyone plays the same way you do. Some people play for cosmetics, which does affect their gameplay.
Suggesting that players can get a handful of mounts in game does not negate what you said, inferring that everyone plays like you do.
You can't play for cosmetics with the crown store. That's not gameplay. Gameplay is scrying, doing events to earn tickets to get mounts, doing quests to unlock mounts (I think Necrom had one?), and doing trial trifectas to earn mounts. Swiping a credit card is not gameplay, so crown crate cosmetics do not involve gameplay in any way.5