Should PvP be removed from the game?

Ajaxandriel · June 17

What are you thoughts?

They tried by changing the 4v4v4 with big promises and, well...

Aislinna · June 17

If you personally are not enjoying the current PvP offered, don't partake.
Why remove it from the game and deprive those that still enjoy it?

MasterSpatula · June 17

PVP balance is an abomination, and every major update seems quite literally designed to exacerbate this fiasco, to double down and fully commit to things that should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, under any circumstances, ever be allowed anywhere near PVP. With Subclassing live, I actually dread ever setting foot in PVP again.

So should PVP be removed from that game? Absofragginlutely not. It should be balanced. It needs to be balanced. It must be balanced.

But that requires a PVP/Combat team with the precise, absolute, utter opposite priorities of the current team. ZOS seems genuinely pleased with the current direction of combat, which baffles me.

I don't know what the solution is. I know that at this point Vengeance is my only hope for a PVP experience that is anything but the Platonic ideal of bad game.

Cooperharley · June 17

Nah it's not that simple either.

People come and go in the PvP system - it's pretty rare to see anybody long term. One thing is for certain and that is that old cyrodiil is gone and likely never coming back. I more so see vengeance being the future of ESO PvP, like it or not, just because it brings the OG fantasy of massive battles and sieges back, but you lose the build diversity. I'm a PvE main and vengeance to me sounds great, because I can just hop in whenever I want and not have to worry about flavor of the month or performance or whatever. So, in my book, it's great! But I know it'll be the end of ESO PvP for many.

SeaGtGruff · June 17

No, in my opinion PvP should not be removed from the game. I mostly stink at it, because I'm too casual to spend time trying to min/max my build or farm for META gear, but I still enjoy running around Cyrodiil and participating in the Alliance War. PvP is one of the core features of the game, and there seem to be a lot of players who focus almost exclusively on PvP.

The_Meathead · June 17

Cyrodiil was THE endgame offered at Launch.

Obviously, it's no longer the singular intended focus, but it's still a mainstay of ESO as a game and absolutely shouldn't be removed.

Is it perfect? Gods, no.
Does it need significant improvement? BY THE EIGHT, YES.

But if PvP goes, so do many of us.

AngryPenguin · June 17

This is the most offensive post I've ever seen on this forum. Bar none.

Sure, they should remove PvP from the game....at the same time they remove all PvE of course.

Turtle_Bot · June 17

Every time this question pops up, I always like to ask:

Should PvE be removed from the game?

Should Housing be removed from the game?

Should Roleplaying be removed from the game?

Should Cosmetics (costumes etc) be removed from the game?

If the answer to any of the above 3 questions for anyone asking if (or calling for) PvP should be removed from the game is no, then the answer to removing PvP from the game should be the exact same.

RebornV3x · June 17

PVP is such a mess that it should be removed specifically Cyrodill PVP they can still keep Battlegrounds I guess.

SilverBride · June 17

No PvP should absolutely not be removed from the game. If anything it should be given more attention.

Soarora · June 17

No..? Cyrodiil exists, imperial city exists, some people like the new bgs… it’s not like PvPers are that much more unhappy with ZOS than the rest of us. The grievances are just a bit different.

MISTFORMBZZZ · June 17

BG´s are bad = REMOVE PVP >:(

RealLoveBVB · June 17

Rush of Agony is bad = NERF NIGHTBLADES

Chrisilis · June 17

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

What are you thoughts?

They tried by changing the 4v4v4 with big promises and, well...

I preferred three team to two team. I hold out hope that three team still has a place in the ESO pvp landscape (still waiting on those three team weekends Devs, starting to think you might not have been totally honest with us re: the whole you'll still get to play the way you want... sometimes... thing) Or even better (and probably never gonna happen cus why would it, its not like a big chunk of player feedback matters or anything) add a permanent three team queue option back in additon to 4v4 and 8v8.

That being said, the suggestion to delete pvp is basically the same as telling everyone who pvps in this game to quit and go somewhere else. All I do is battlegrounds and housing and housing is not enough to keep me around. Any battleground is better than no battleground at the end of the day and two team isnt terrible, its fun enough to keep me around at least even tho three team was better imo.

xylena_lazarow · June 17

You can "remove" PvP by not playing it and then roleplaying that it was deleted. Same effect!

Weesacs · June 18

No, however there are a few things needing fixed.

I would also like to see instanced world PvP added at some point, similar to the way WoW does it. Its very fun.

Heren · June 18

This post honestly feels like a bait. A bad one.

danko355 · June 18

Good question. I’m also wondering should the people asking to remove the content other people enjoy be banned from the game? What do you think? 🤔

Minnesinger · June 19

I would like to understand the thinking behind these threads. There is no way this becomes any real option. In ESO pvp is a core activity. Try one of the older TES games and leave our pvp alone.

Soarora · June 19

Minnesinger wrote: »

I would like to understand the thinking behind these threads. There is no way this becomes any real option. In ESO pvp is a core activity. Try one of the older TES games and leave our pvp alone.

To be fair, these threads seem to actually be coming from displeased PvPers, not PvErs who hate PvP.
But also if you’re so unhappy with PvP as a PvPer then maybe try a different game and check in every so often to see if ZOS has made PvP any better yet.

Ajaxandriel · June 26

Heren wrote: »

This post honestly feels like a bait. A bad one.

What elements would you provide to support this claim?

On the contrary I see quite a fruitful bait, as a large amount of comments have been produced, and more importantly, many ideas have emerged, we can sum up by this four points:
- "Battlegrounds are in a disastrous state and worse than during the 4v4v4 era"
- "Cyrodiil is a disaster too"
- "But it's better than noting I guess"
- "it should be given more attention."

Soarora wrote: »

To be fair, these threads seem to actually be coming from displeased PvPers, not PvErs who hate PvP.
But also if you’re so unhappy with PvP as a PvPer then maybe try a different game and check in every so often to see if ZOS has made PvP any better yet.

First, this is correct as my last PvE in ESO was back in 2017 idk... (If normal dungeon doesn't count ofc)

Second, I stay for the TES fantasy and the attachment for my characters, all the more with the subclass system which did enhance the roleplay & customization facet of the game.

A shame that 90% of the Battlegrounds are grossly unbalanced, resulting in a 500/10 or 10/500 score in a couple of minutes, that is quite unsatisfactory either way.
Maybe matchmaking ceased to work, maybe subclassing have worsened things, but since the 4v4 and 8v8 system it is outrageous and simply not fun.
I mean, in my point of view, Victory or defeat does not matter, but playing, casting spells, executing a strategy, all of this fuels the interest for partaking in BG PvP (and I think it's the same for Cyrodiil which I do not play for years).
Dramatic measures should be taken to balance players abilities.

Soarora · June 26

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

Heren wrote: »

This post honestly feels like a bait. A bad one.

What elements would you provide to support this claim?

On the contrary I see quite a fruitful bait, as a large amount of comments have been produced, and more importantly, many ideas have emerged, we can sum up by this four points:
- "Battlegrounds are in a disastrous state and worse than during the 4v4v4 era"
- "Cyrodiil is a disaster too"
- "But it's better than noting I guess"
- "it should be given more attention."

Soarora wrote: »

To be fair, these threads seem to actually be coming from displeased PvPers, not PvErs who hate PvP.
But also if you’re so unhappy with PvP as a PvPer then maybe try a different game and check in every so often to see if ZOS has made PvP any better yet.

First, this is correct as my last PvE in ESO was back in 2017 idk... (If normal dungeon doesn't count ofc)

Second, I stay for the TES fantasy and the attachment for my characters, all the more with the subclass system which did enhance the roleplay & customization facet of the game.

A shame that 90% of the Battlegrounds are grossly unbalanced, resulting in a 500/10 or 10/500 score in a couple of minutes, that is quite unsatisfactory either way.
Maybe matchmaking ceased to work, maybe subclassing have worsened things, but since the 4v4 and 8v8 system it is outrageous and simply not fun.
I mean, in my point of view, Victory or defeat does not matter, but playing, casting spells, executing a strategy, all of this fuels the interest for partaking in BG PvP (and I think it's the same for Cyrodiil which I do not play for years).
Dramatic measures should be taken to balance players abilities.

I see, I always hear the “I’m a TES player” argument for PvE and somehow never thought there’s PvPers like that too. The new BGs are pretty badly balanced its true. It’s not fun when the other team is just getting steamrolled for what feels like 15 minutes.

I want 4v4v4 back.

Veinblood1965 · June 26

AngryPenguin wrote: »

This is the most offensive post I've ever seen on this forum. Bar none.

I was thinking the same thing. Post should be locked, it can't be serious.

Lucasalex92 · June 26

MasterSpatula wrote: »

With Subclassing live, I actually dread ever setting foot in PVP again

I concur with this comment it's horrible at the moment only because loads of pvp sets are so nerft ...and some skills are changed all because people been crying and crying and crying because they been bad at pvp - then subclassing came which thrown pvp even more out of balance - unless you are uber pro pvper who sit in game at least 8-10 h a day in game non stop, and have some gold then cryodil is your place but causal pvp is big no no...

Battleground matching people like this : 4 people with low CP(or often it does 1 person with 1k + cp and 3 with 200-300 cp) vs 4 people with max CP and best gear for it ...

Rohamad_Ali · June 26

lol no.

MincMincMinc · July 1

Lucasalex92 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

With Subclassing live, I actually dread ever setting foot in PVP again

I concur with this comment it's horrible at the moment only because loads of pvp sets are so nerft ...and some skills are changed all because people been crying and crying and crying because they been bad at pvp - then subclassing came which thrown pvp even more out of balance - unless you are uber pro pvper who sit in game at least 8-10 h a day in game non stop, and have some gold then cryodil is your place but causal pvp is big no no...

Battleground matching people like this : 4 people with low CP(or often it does 1 person with 1k + cp and 3 with 200-300 cp) vs 4 people with max CP and best gear for it ...

Actual good point. Zos still splits u50 characters against vet characters. In reality zos should be splitting the que between u500cp and over 500cp. Obviously the cp value can be discussed what people think is fair. I ran a lowbie u50 training guild for the first few years of the game and scaling wise usually the u50 characters actually outscale the lowcp guys enough to be fair...usually the lower level 30 guys would win duels actually because of it.

Cyrodil campaigns could be split this same way. If new players could only enter an under 500cp nocp campaign it may be a far better learning environment. Or just combining the nocp and u50 campaign, where it is the only campaign that u50 characters can join.

MorallyBipolar · July 1

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

What are you thoughts?

They tried by changing the 4v4v4 with big promises and, well...

They should remove PvE from the game.

Vaqual · July 2

They are rather doing the opposite with vengeance, they are removing the game from PvP 😂

Iriidius · July 11

Soarora wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

I would like to understand the thinking behind these threads. There is no way this becomes any real option. In ESO pvp is a core activity. Try one of the older TES games and leave our pvp alone.

To be fair, these threads seem to actually be coming from displeased PvPers, not PvErs who hate PvP.
But also if you’re so unhappy with PvP as a PvPer then maybe try a different game and check in every so often to see if ZOS has made PvP any better yet.

While few complains might come from displeased PvPers most threads come from PvEers.
PvEr like to blame every change/nerf they do not understand on PvP even when ZOS not named PvP or explicit named PvE as reason, no PvPer asked for this nerf and/or it could have been changed in a way effecting only PvP but not PvE rather than accepting that some changes are done arbitrary or because ZOS likes it that way.

Stamicka · July 12

No, but they should separate it from PvE completely imo.

reazea · July 12

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

What are you thoughts?

They tried by changing the 4v4v4 with big promises and, well...

This post is proof of just how convoluted and inconsistent moderation is on this forum.