Subclassing question from console player

SerafinaWaterstar · June 15

Right, getting conflicting info & web guides not much help either. Bit confused by the unclear info about levelling these subclasses.

I have 20 characters, all level 50, for all classes. So, all skill lines unlocked & available - right?

If I chose to use a nb skill line on my arc, do I then have to level up that nb skill line on my arc?

If I chose to use that same nb skill line on, say, a warden, do I have to level up that skill line again on the warden, or is it now ‘unlocked’ for subclassing across all characters?

Dojohoda · June 15

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Right, getting conflicting info & web guides not much help either. Bit confused by the unclear info about levelling these subclasses.

I have 20 characters, all level 50, for all classes. So, all skill lines unlocked & available - right?

If I chose to use a nb skill line on my arc, do I then have to level up that nb skill line on my arc?

If I chose to use that same nb skill line on, say, a warden, do I have to level up that skill line again on the warden, or is it now ‘unlocked’ for subclassing across all characters?

The skill lines of your characters must be at level 50. Any class skill line that is level 50 is available.

Yes, after adding a skill line to your character, such as a nb skill line on your arc, that skill line must be leveled.

Yes, skill leveling is account wide. So, if you add the same nb skill line to your warden and , for example, the arc has, so far, leveled the nb skill line to 30, the skill line will be at 30 when added to the warden. On top of that, the skill line can be leveled by the warden too.

RealLoveBVB · June 15

You have to level all subclasses again, even if those skill lines are maxed on other chars already.
There is no advantage in having everything maxed already.

You have to level them only once tho.
If all subclasses are maxed, you can play them on any char.

Dojohoda · June 15

Tips
Before subclassing, log into your various characters that have class lines at level 50. You will see the achievements for each completed skill line on your screen and this information is noted in your Collections > Character (I think it's collections, I will edit later with where this information is noted).

Any activity that offers a lot of xp (such as Master Writs) will speed up leveling and be certain to add 50 cp points to the new cp star in the green tree, Discipline Artisan (forgot its name) and use the best XP buffs that you have.

Characters can be leveling mules. The leveling mule should add two skill lines and then partake in a high xp activity. Keep an eye on the skill lines and switch them out for different ones when leveled. During the leveling be sure to add to your bar a skill from each of the two classes and then, when available, add a second skill, and a third plus ultimate and stay on that bar!

Elsonso · June 15

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

You have to level all subclasses again, even if those skill lines are maxed on other chars already.
There is no advantage in having everything maxed already.

You have to level them only once tho.
If all subclasses are maxed, you can play them on any char.

The advantage to having everything maxed already is that the skill line can be used for subclassing, if I understand correctly.

SerafinaWaterstar · June 15

Right, understand now. Ta muchly.

Not sure why you would have to grind to level the skill line *again* just for subclassing - seems a bit necessary - but then this game loves a grind! And should be happy its just the once, not for each time you want to use that skill line.

DenverRalphy · June 15

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Not sure why you would have to grind to level the skill line *again* just for subclassing - seems a bit necessary - but then this game loves a grind! And should be happy its just the once, not for each time you want to use that skill line.

Because it gives the player the illusion that they've accomplished something, and for something important.

Danikat · June 15

You don't need to have fully levelled a skill line before using it for subclassing.

I was able to pick Assassination on my templar, even though my only nightblade is level 30 and hasn't fully levelled any of the skill lines.

I'm not sure what difference it does make to have the skills fully trained on another character.

wolfie1.0. · June 15

So there is a lot of confusion on how subclassing works, and it in part i think has to do with how the names are used.so here is my attempt to clarify, let me know if i fail. Base skill lines refer to the 3 lines you obtain upon character creation:

To access subclassing you just need to have unlocked the "Reach Level 50" achievement. i have confirmed this on a brand new account with a level 4 character right out of the tutorial.
While the level 50 achievement is required to unlock the system, once done you can start subclassing right after character creation and as early as level 3 or 4
To subclass into a class (ie Warden) your account needs to have unlocked it in the crown store
you DO NOT need to have a level 50 character in said base class to subclass into that classes skill lines.
Base Class line skill levels have no impact on on subclass skill lines. they level independently. If you want to have ALL subclass skill lines maxed you will need 2 characters as you can not subclass into your base skill lines, that is what you would need a second character to do
when choosing skills to subclass you can only chose one from each base class. (ie you can't choose Assassination and Shadow)
All subclass skill lines and related skills will level account wide. Reaching 50 in Ardent Flame and Level 4 in Molten Whip, you will allow you to use that skill at max level once it becomes available without the need to level it.
When subclassing on a new character (ie under level 50) you can not access subclassed skill lines until your CHARACTER reaches a required level that matches what it would unlock with the skill line. For example: If you have Dawns Wrath maxed out within Subclassing and you want to use Radiant Destruction (unlocked in class line when you reach class level 42) you under 50 character can not use it until you reach character level 42.

i hope this helps.

RealLoveBVB · June 15

Elsonso wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

You have to level all subclasses again, even if those skill lines are maxed on other chars already.
There is no advantage in having everything maxed already.

You have to level them only once tho.
If all subclasses are maxed, you can play them on any char.

The advantage to having everything maxed already is that the skill line can be used for subclassing, if I understand correctly.

Every skill line can be used for subclassing, even if you only have one char.
I don't understand the point, why you unlock the achievement for completing a skill line on a char, if you have to level it anyway.

NoSoup · June 15

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

You have to level all subclasses again, even if those skill lines are maxed on other chars already.
There is no advantage in having everything maxed already.

You have to level them only once tho.
If all subclasses are maxed, you can play them on any char.

Not completely true, there is an advantage to having them all maxed already. If say you only have one class maxed then you can only "train" 3 subclasses until those subclasses reach 50. So by having all the classes max'd, you can subclass as many skill lines on different characters as you want (still only 2 per character at once obviously). For instance you could have a tank learning 2 different "tanking" skill tress while also having a healer with 2 healing oriented subclass trees and a DPS with 2 different "dps skill lines". You don't have to wait for the first 3 you choose to get to 50 before being able to select another 3.

Zodiarkslayer · June 16

There is a 3 skill line limitation to subclassing that is only in effect for class skill lines that you never have levelled to lvl50.
Every skill line that you level to lvl50 with your original class is getting locked out of that limitation mechanism. In practise that is only relevant for new accounts. Old accounts that have all skill lines levelled to 50 by their original classes, do not need to care about that.

Now, from U46 onwards, there are two different versions of class skill lines. The ones of your original class and the ones unlocked by subclassing. They function the same (same abilities and passives), but are different in scope, because original class lines do not level on other characters and subclassing class lines level much slower than original ones, but are account wide (meaning you can access them on all characters that subclass into the same class line).

It is a litttle confusing. But practically speaking, it is irrelevant after a couple of weeks of gaming.

wolfie1.0. · June 16

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

There is a 3 skill line limitation to subclassing that is only in effect for class skill lines that you never have levelled to lvl50.
Every skill line that you level to lvl50 with your original class is getting locked out of that limitation mechanism. In practise that is only relevant for new accounts. Old accounts that have all skill lines levelled to 50 by their original classes, do not need to care about that.

Now, from U46 onwards, there are two different versions of class skill lines. The ones of your original class and the ones unlocked by subclassing. They function the same (same abilities and passives), but are different in scope, because original class lines do not level on other characters and subclassing class lines level much slower than original ones, but are account wide (meaning you can access them on all characters that subclass into the same class line).

It is a litttle confusing. But practically speaking, it is irrelevant after a couple of weeks of gaming.

valid points. Once Subclassing is maxed out the limitations of how it functions and its rules really only matter if you chose to do something like swap servers, change accounts, or create a new character. If you only ever plan on sticking to one character then non of that really applies.

It is very much like CP in that way. I aslo think the confusion was unavoidable as they needed to separate the original class from subclasses to program in the skill point usages and account wide growth differences.

Where i think they fell short, was septically in the explanations and notations regarding how it all worked. as much of what i posted in my post earlier in the thread was what i discovered unexpectedly when trying to do subclassing changes.

I also feel that they shouldn't really have called it subclassing, as it really isn't a subclass system, its more akin to Class Customization, which is what they should have called it (just my opinion).