really need to put a player cap on alliance wars to stop zergs

silentxthreat · June 11

its frustrating to see the map dead because a night crew zergs with 3 bars or cap pop vs 1 bar everyone else. whole map is dead and morning people dont even want to try. solution is very simple. if say dc has only 5 players well then other sides can only have 5 players ect. if they want to stack 100 people vs 5 well let them wait all night in queue

DenverRalphy · June 11

So how does the population ever grow if no faction can ever exceed any of the others? Seems to me it would never be higher than 1v1v1.

xylena_lazarow · June 11

Sad to say but I think Cyro is cooked until Vengeance returns.

silentxthreat · June 11

it would grow when people get sick of waiting in queue forever and not all go to one side. this morning was 60 blues vs 3 people lol

Dalsinthus · June 11

The solution is to get organized and have a night crew for your alliance. We need more people in Cyrodiil fighting the alliance war, not less.

silentxthreat · June 11

hard to do when players that play during that time see pop cap or 1 bar and get farmed. if we had ball groups during that time there would be a lot of ap to be had

CameraBeardThePirate · June 11

The solution to this problem (and the problem of not being able to play with friends due to faction lock) is to make a mercenary faction that can play on any faction they want so long as it isn't whichever faction currently has the most players.

xylena_lazarow · June 11

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

The solution to this problem (and the problem of not being able to play with friends due to faction lock) is to make a mercenary faction that can play on any faction they want so long as it isn't whichever faction currently has the most players.

I'd love a merc faction, but I know at least one of the serious ball groups that contributes to lopsided maps would never leave their faction. A few mercs aren't gonna stop a serious ball group surfing dozens of easy mode zergers. If Vengeance brings back significant numbers, it'll be much easier to play 80v80v120 than it is to play 10v10v50.

silentxthreat · June 11

i would love merc faction. i have friends that play on all sides. i also feel there needs to only be one server with no player cap without a lock

silentxthreat · June 11

@xylena_lazarow agreed with the ball group but that is a whole other problem that zos needs to address. I liked ball groups back in the day when it took more skill to pull off but now nothing can stop them but a better ball group. this drives most new players away

DenverRalphy · June 11

Penalizing factions for being able to field more players at any given time doesn't sound like a very good solution.

Artim_X · June 11

Different time zones exists and what you may consider your nighttime could be someone else's prime time.

Major_Mangle · June 11

Artim_X wrote: »

Different time zones exists and what you may consider your nighttime could be someone else's prime time.

No such thing as a "personal prime time". Prime time is whenever a campaign reaches its peak population.

RealLoveBVB · June 11

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

Different time zones exists and what you may consider your nighttime could be someone else's prime time.

No such thing as a "personal prime time". Prime time is whenever a campaign reaches its peak population.

I know 2 French guys, who moved to Canada.
They still play on EU, as they didn't want to start again.

When they play on their personal prime time at 8 pm, then it's 2 am in Europe.

Of course personal prime time exist. Its the time where you play the most, not others.

cyclonus11 · June 11

Guilds need to recruit more around the clock and target more night players

kargen27 · June 11

silentxthreat wrote: »

its frustrating to see the map dead because a night crew zergs with 3 bars or cap pop vs 1 bar everyone else. whole map is dead and morning people dont even want to try. solution is very simple. if say dc has only 5 players well then other sides can only have 5 players ect. if they want to stack 100 people vs 5 well let them wait all night in queue

I suggest a test. Have one campaign with this rule open as an alternative for a month and see how it goes. I'm willing to bet it will be all but abandoned before the end of the month.

Cooperharley · June 11

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

The solution to this problem (and the problem of not being able to play with friends due to faction lock) is to make a mercenary faction that can play on any faction they want so long as it isn't whichever faction currently has the most players.

This is such a cool idea. I’d love this! But unfortunately, I too think cyro is basically cooked and vengeance is where they’re heading.

tsaescishoeshiner · June 11

Caps wouldn't help much, and would just limit how many people are in Cyrodiil at any time.

Instead, they should increase the low pop bonus and maybe advertise it to players who are on characters in those factions who have that campaign as their home campaign. Yes, it would be another notification to deal with. But hopefully it could draw people in a bit more.

Lucasalex92 · June 11

silentxthreat wrote: »

its frustrating to see the map dead because a night crew zergs with 3 bars or cap pop vs 1 bar everyone else. whole map is dead and morning people dont even want to try. solution is very simple. if say dc has only 5 players well then other sides can only have 5 players ect. if they want to stack 100 people vs 5 well let them wait all night in queue

thats only being disorganised ... make a guild or join pvp guild, organsie nights when fighting ...easy that way win win for all

silentxthreat · June 11

i tried no one wants to fight server pop with 5 people. i mean i understand its different time zones but when you stack the whole pop on one side it just makes it not fun so people dont play during that time anymore.

CameraBeardThePirate · June 11

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

The solution to this problem (and the problem of not being able to play with friends due to faction lock) is to make a mercenary faction that can play on any faction they want so long as it isn't whichever faction currently has the most players.

I'd love a merc faction, but I know at least one of the serious ball groups that contributes to lopsided maps would never leave their faction. A few mercs aren't gonna stop a serious ball group surfing dozens of easy mode zergers. If Vengeance brings back significant numbers, it'll be much easier to play 80v80v120 than it is to play 10v10v50.

I think that's discounting the amount of serious groups that just want to play outnumbered though; and those groups absolutely exist.

Either way, a few ballgroups committed to playing their own faction isn't a reason to not add a stop gap to allow for people to always play on the least populated faction.

Plus, faction lock just sucks, full stop. I want to play with all my friends, and coordinating each individual guild or group to all be the same faction is just unrealistic.

silentxthreat · June 11

i agree the faction lock 100% sucks. i understand some ball groups stay on one faction but i do wish we didnt have 2 running at the same time on the same faction at 8 am est. really dont know how to fix it without getting another ball group to fight them at that time but thats usually a waste of time ap per hour at least. ill just stay out of cyro during that time i guess and let them farm a empty map

wolfie1.0. · June 11

Increase low population bonuses. More Volendrung like mechanics.

Turtle_Bot · June 12

I really don't get the appeal of steamrolling the entire map with zero resistance, especially long term.

I have been on both sides of it, and being alongside or against those guilds was just not fun in the long run, even if the players were fun to play with. The issue quickly became that there was literally no PvP to be had, because there was either no-one to fight, or you were so heavily outnumbered that there was no point even logging into Cyro.

This perspective was also from back in the old days of ESO, when night capping guilds didn't proceed to also gate-keep the entire map all day until primetime. They took the map, then logged out and let the empty map fix itself over the day so primetime zergs logged into a more balanced map.

This type of playstyle also tends to hinder players skills/growth, since:
- being on the same faction as these guilds, there's no need to get better at the game due to there being no enemies to fight that can't just be zerged down with numbers
- being against these guilds, it's impossible to get better at the game because there's no opportunity to find good smaller fights that will help grow and develop the skills required to fight larger numbers.

As much as I wish ZOS could fix this issue, I think it's just too far gone at this point to be fixed. It's too ingrained in the current PuG/Casual PvPers mentality to just take the easy route for the rewards with as little resistance (or PvP) as possible, and the only way to truly fix it would require changing players mentality to actually want to PvP and get better at the game beyond just collecting end of campaign rewards for logging into cyrodiil and PvE a couple of empty keeps.

Twohothardware · June 12

Game just needs Crossplay. The individual platforms don't have enough PvP players to keep up player counts across three Alliances during late night hours.

EmEm_Oh · June 12

Maybe give a low pop bonus large enough that would give an incentive to your opposing team to join your team, temporarily.

SeaGtGruff · June 12

Lucasalex92 wrote: »

silentxthreat wrote: »

its frustrating to see the map dead because a night crew zergs with 3 bars or cap pop vs 1 bar everyone else. whole map is dead and morning people dont even want to try. solution is very simple. if say dc has only 5 players well then other sides can only have 5 players ect. if they want to stack 100 people vs 5 well let them wait all night in queue

thats only being disorganised ... make a guild or join pvp guild, organsie nights when fighting ...easy that way win win for all

There's more to it than "being disorganised"; there's also the matter of who plays on which factions, what time zone they live in, and what times of day or night (as reckoned in their time zone) they're able to log in and play. One cannot simply form a PvP guild and have it be populated with players of a particular faction who are able to maintain a healthy-sized population of players for that faction on a 24/7 basis.

BetweenMidgets · June 12

Get rid of faction lock.

Nemesis7884 · June 12

More bonuses based on the imbalance

fufu_from_ps4 · June 12

i made a long winded post about this, and how i would attempt to fix it. (home on the range)

mercenary idea is okay, if we had higher populations it would probably be pretty fun... altho also now that i think of it ballgroups would just farm everyone like that.

i mean.... unlock the servers? let people swap over and enjoy that low pop and underdog buff.... perhaps even remove players names in cyrodiil so then people wouldnt know. people wouldnt be mad at people for swapping. and also people would be more prone to hitting each other. perhaps give them a player number or somthing that way cheaters can still be reported. AD #123, or somthing idk. i'd probably not do this, and i would probably just employ the ideas i outlined in my post to just bring in more people, raise money from them, improve the servers and code, increase player counts.... profit.

Gabriel_H · June 12

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Sad to say but I think Cyro is cooked until Vengeance returns.

Vengeance won't solve the problem. Cyro is too big, and the player cap is too high.

The zone needs splitting into 3 along the bridges/gates. Access to other zones is granted once you control all keeps/forts in your alliances zone.

Would reduce the instance map size by 2/3rds and you could reduce the player cap by 50%. It would immediately solve the problem of strain on the servers (they just would have to buy more servers to account for the increase in instances).