Do classes in Leaderboards matter with subclassing?

Liukke · June 7

As in the title, if you consider that a double subclassed character is potentially all three classes together, does it make sense still to show the class or filter by class?

As a quick example, a DK subclassed in Necro and Nightblade is the equivalent of a Necro subclassed in DK and Nightblade, and of a Nightblade subclassed in Necro and DK.

Yet, in the leaderboards only the main class will appear, making it kinda useless for whoever would like to play pure class, since subclassing has given tons of advantages and raised the bar a lot.

Dunno, maybe a filter for pure-class and subclassed?
Or at least know which mixture was there instead of showing only one of potential 3 classes?

And technically, am I missing something here?
I assume that in a double subclassed character it doesn't matter which class is main, maybe it does? O_o

Lystrad · June 7

Liukke wrote: »

And technically, am I missing something here?
I assume that in a double subclassed character it doesn't matter which class is main, maybe it does? O_o

In alot of cases it doesn't matter which class is the primary class but there are a small number of exceptions, mostly centering around the class mastery script or the class sets. As an example, my current frost mage build for my arcanist only functions if arcanist is the main class, while my conjuration master build would function the same regardless of which of it's three skill lines was native to the character.

Another consideration if you're just going for pure min/max output over thematic flavor is that because you can only take 2 skill lines from other classes, the final loadout for certain classes would end up slightly different. Lets say hypothetically that the optimal min/max damage setup uses skills and passives from nightblade, arcanist and templar, in that case only those 3 classes could actually use that full set up. The other classes would have some variation, likely using 2 of those 3 lines and then one of their own.

Liukke · June 7

Lystrad wrote: »

Liukke wrote: »

And technically, am I missing something here?
I assume that in a double subclassed character it doesn't matter which class is main, maybe it does? O_o

In alot of cases it doesn't matter which class is the primary class but there are a small number of exceptions, mostly centering around the class mastery script or the class sets. As an example, my current frost mage build for my arcanist only functions if arcanist is the main class, while my conjuration master build would function the same regardless of which of it's three skill lines was native to the character.

Another consideration is that because you can only take 2 skill lines from other classes, that if you're just going for pure min/max output, the final skill line combination for each class will end up being different, since if for example, the optimal damage setup are lines from classes x/y/z, then someone who's primary class is W can only grab 2 of the 3 so their optimal setup will still be slightly different.

Yup, that's true, class masteries and sets are potentially the only difference in having a main class.
And you're right, there can be slight differences but also identical builds, an ardent flame-assassination-grave lord build can be identical to any of the three permutations, provided that no masteries or sets are involved.

It just feels sad for the leaderboards, I love playing my DK as he is, I like the challenge of making something useful out of it, and seeing other "DKs" making double points in challenges just because they're not DKs almost at all feels just funny

SilverIce58 · June 7

I don't do any sort of score pushing, but I like the idea. There should be a separate leaderboard category for those whose classes are using subclassed lines, as there's not much competition when the subclassed character is leagues above the pure class character. Also should show the icons of each class depending if theyre using 1 or 2 different lines, but when you mouse over them it says what skill line the person used and not what classes theyre using (which tbh might be the case).

Liukke · June 7

SilverIce58 wrote: »

I don't do any sort of score pushing, but I like the idea. There should be a separate leaderboard category for those whose classes are using subclassed lines, as there's not much competition when the subclassed character is leagues above the pure class character. Also should show the icons of each class depending if theyre using 1 or 2 different lines, but when you mouse over them it says what skill line the person used and not what classes theyre using (which tbh might be the case).

Well you know, "showing" the skill lines might be a bit too much, I imagine people would like to keep some tactical mystery about their builds in multiclass.
I'd be ok with just knowing if that person is a pure class or not, I'm not into number chasing, it's just for me as a reference to know how much I suck.

SilverIce58 · June 7

Liukke wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

I don't do any sort of score pushing, but I like the idea. There should be a separate leaderboard category for those whose classes are using subclassed lines, as there's not much competition when the subclassed character is leagues above the pure class character. Also should show the icons of each class depending if theyre using 1 or 2 different lines, but when you mouse over them it says what skill line the person used and not what classes theyre using (which tbh might be the case).

Well you know, "showing" the skill lines might be a bit too much, I imagine people would like to keep some tactical mystery about their builds in multiclass.
I'd be ok with just knowing if that person is a pure class or not, I'm not into number chasing, it's just for me as a reference to know how much I suck.

I mean agree that they probably wouldnt show it and would only show the class icons without saying the skill lines, but id like the other way. Just because you know what the skill lines someone's used for the score, doesnt mean it'll be easy for you to replicate it.

katanagirl1 · June 8

Having the class indicated on leaderboards now after subclassing is going to be the equivalent of having a companion in the IA and being counted as a duo for the leaderboard.

Liukke · June 9

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Having the class indicated on leaderboards now after subclassing is going to be the equivalent of having a companion in the IA and being counted as a duo for the leaderboard.

Yup, I'd be curious to see the leaderboards of duos made with companions, it's still an interesting choice given the potential skill loadouts.
But yeah, leaderboards seem pointless by now, it's just for kids who go for big numbers and don't make sense anymore