You have to level them all up again once or at least the ones you want to use, progress levelling the sub classed skill lines is shared across your account.

Though I was under the impression from all the marketing head of release that those of us who did level up all the classes would have had the skill lines at 50, only needing to level skills/morphs but nope gotta level them from scratch.

Every skill line needs to be levelled once as a subclass per account, regardless of all other factors.

That is to say, they all start at level 1 when first selected as a subclass on each account, even if the skill line has been levelled to 50 as part of a full class. The progress is shared among all other characters that would subclass that particular skill line.

My understanding is the only benefit to having a skill line levelled to 50 as part of a complete class previously is that it allows players to begin levelling that skill line as a subclass without any limitations on how many they can select.

I didn't describe that last part well because I don't know exactly what the rule is and can't test it on my live account. But there is some kind of limitation....

So the way it works is there is a subclassing limit of 3 skill lines a character can unlock, and once these are chosen that can't be changed. However... A skill line that has gotten to level 50 either via the subclassed version, or leveling via it's native class, becomes a mastered skill line, which means that it is available to all characters and "unlocks" so that it no longer counts against that limit of 3. Additionally, skill line levels obtained by the subclass versions of skill lines are account-wide, while the native version of the skill line is character specific. So once you get a skill line to 50 via subclassing, all characters that have that line non-natively have it maxed out right away.

The benefit of having an alt of every class leveled is that it means you can freely swap out their skill lines whenever you want, while someone who as an example only has one character, would be stuck with 1-3 skill lines that they can not change until they finish leveling them.

Lystrad wrote: »

So the way it works is there is a subclassing limit of 3 skill lines a character can unlock, and once these are chosen that can't be changed. However... A skill line that has gotten to level 50 either via the subclassed version, or leveling via it's native class, becomes a mastered skill line, which means that it is available to all characters and "unlocks" so that it no longer counts against that limit of 3. Additionally, skill line levels obtained by the subclass versions of skill lines are account-wide, while the native version of the skill line is character specific. So once you get a skill line to 50 via subclassing, all characters that have that line non-natively have it maxed out right away.

The benefit of having an alt of every class leveled is that it means you can freely swap out their skill lines whenever you want, while someone who as an example only has one character, would be stuck with 1-3 skill lines that they can not change until they finish leveling them.

So once you choose say to use 1 sorc 1 nb 1 warden sub class you can't change them in the future? If so I think that's very harsh because this system is going to lead to lots of nerfs for sure and if you can't change you are stuck nerfed forever because of a flawed system.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lystrad wrote: »

So the way it works is there is a subclassing limit of 3 skill lines a character can unlock, and once these are chosen that can't be changed. However... A skill line that has gotten to level 50 either via the subclassed version, or leveling via it's native class, becomes a mastered skill line, which means that it is available to all characters and "unlocks" so that it no longer counts against that limit of 3. Additionally, skill line levels obtained by the subclass versions of skill lines are account-wide, while the native version of the skill line is character specific. So once you get a skill line to 50 via subclassing, all characters that have that line non-natively have it maxed out right away.

The benefit of having an alt of every class leveled is that it means you can freely swap out their skill lines whenever you want, while someone who as an example only has one character, would be stuck with 1-3 skill lines that they can not change until they finish leveling them.

So once you choose say to use 1 sorc 1 nb 1 warden sub class you can't change them in the future? If so I think that's very harsh because this system is going to lead to lots of nerfs for sure and if you can't change you are stuck nerfed forever because of a flawed system.

You can't change them unless you've leveled them to 50 either as a main or a subclass line.

cmetzger93 wrote: »

They made it way too convoluted

Absolutely they did.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lystrad wrote: »

So the way it works is there is a subclassing limit of 3 skill lines a character can unlock, and once these are chosen that can't be changed. However... A skill line that has gotten to level 50 either via the subclassed version, or leveling via it's native class, becomes a mastered skill line, which means that it is available to all characters and "unlocks" so that it no longer counts against that limit of 3. Additionally, skill line levels obtained by the subclass versions of skill lines are account-wide, while the native version of the skill line is character specific. So once you get a skill line to 50 via subclassing, all characters that have that line non-natively have it maxed out right away.

The benefit of having an alt of every class leveled is that it means you can freely swap out their skill lines whenever you want, while someone who as an example only has one character, would be stuck with 1-3 skill lines that they can not change until they finish leveling them.

So once you choose say to use 1 sorc 1 nb 1 warden sub class you can't change them in the future? If so I think that's very harsh because this system is going to lead to lots of nerfs for sure and if you can't change you are stuck nerfed forever because of a flawed system.

Once it's 50 it unlocks so you can change it. The unequipped subclass skills also aren't limited like the equipped ones are. You can choose multiple from the same class you just can only equip one at a time. So as an example lets say you have a nightblade as your native class with all of nightblades skill lines. You also have a maxed out sorcerer alt.

Now when you go into the subclassing menu you have access to all of the nightblade lines, all of the sorcerer lines, and then you pick any 3 other unmastered skill lines to "learn". Lets say you chose... gravelord, aedric spear, and restoring light You can swap your nightblade and sorcerer skills, and those three you chose whenever you want within the normal rules, but you can't say, swap out aedric spear for herald of the tome halfway through leveling it. You have to finish leveling it to re-open the slot.

Now if you swap to sorcerer and go into the menu, your sorcerer will have access to all of the nightblade lines, and can chose it's own set of 3 lines to learn, BUT progress you made towards those lines on your nightblade will carry over to the sorcerer. So if the sorc were to say, chose aedric spear as well and the nightblade had it at 25, it will start at 25 for the sorc too and if you finish it on the sorcerer the slot will unlock for both characters to pick a new line.

Thee_Cheshire_Cat wrote: »

oh my... i'm glad i read this. Won't be touching subclassing then. Might be good for people who have a million alts already.. but for someone like me who has only 2 dedicated characters , have zero plans on leveling useless characters just to unlock the skills. blah no thanks.

You can level any skill you want on your character. You just can't change off that skill line til it hits 50.

edit: I got confused. Disregard this.

You Don't specifically need an alt for using that class skill lines.