I don't mind it, I think the idea behind the extra cost was probably because the system offers a lot of advantages so it should require some extra work. Kind of like scribing and ink in the beginning. I think after people test out things and decide on their skills for their bars, the management of the points will be better.

i have been fine with this since April, when it was announced

I think it's a weird choice, honestly.

I get that that idea is "oh, we want to make Subclassing an actual choice!" but an opportunity cost is not a drawback. This means that players who have hundreds of skill points have no barrier, whereas new players face an even greater uphill climb to get to use it.

Frankly, I would have just kept it all the same, and I'd even have allowed swapping all three lines or taking two lines from the same parent Class.

The actual drawback I'd like to have seen would be something that made it so a character with three standard Class lines would be within range of someone who Subclassed in terms of power (damage, healing, tanking ability). Currently, min-maxing Subclassing leads to an absurd power delta even over pure Classes. I do think that min-maxing whould not be at the same level, but we should not be talking about the difference between a max of 100k and 170k DPS. Maybe more something like 120k versus 135k.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Subclassing grants the player significantly more power. IMHO, the double skillpoint cost isn't enough to counter it.

I understand the concept but echoing what Denver says here, it doesn’t do anything. Its just more grind to do. People will still subclass and expect subclassing, but now you also need to get 10 more skillpoints somehow. I might have to resort to speedrunning main quests (which I really wish were repeatable! Please!)

Personally I think it should just be 1 skill point as the opportunity cost really doesn't offer pure classes any real advantages given the access to skill points. Should be 1 skill point each and a 10% loss of attributes for each subclass selected.

Should cost 1 skill point like other skills

The higher cost will likely will push people to unlock skyshards via the Crown Store for alts.

I doubt selling skyshard packs was the incentive. It's too easy to just run around the map picking them up for free. Buying skyshard packs is still just a convenience buy.

I'm relatively confident it was intended as a balance/counter mechanic that wasn't well thought out. Same as the "Can't subclass 2 skill lines from the same class" rule, as that's easy to skirt by just starting with the class you wanted 2 skill lines from, and picking just 1 from the original class.

It's fine, like scribing last year and getting scripts, this is similar it's about 'persuading' people to engage with more content - Delves, public dungeons, dungeons, zones, storylines etc.

Nah. It's just a useless grind - at least for the newer players or alts (if we still need alts ..)

The grind for scripts was also boring, just pointing out that it fits recent history on how they have done things

Agreed, although it not like any of it is difficult and MMOs have always been about the latest grind, and I've got use to it, so don't see the issue with it. It gives focus to gameplay that is different to my usual heavy trial focus. In fact it's been a pleasant break from that content making me eager to go again once I have finished the line discoveries I wanted (with luck should be done tonight, and can then start refocussing my builds properly)

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I'm kind of torn on this.

First of all, the plans I have for subclass characters are to provide solutions where like in many cases I won't use a skill line, so I sub that and use very few abilities anyways. So for me subs are a booster and not the full Rocketship so to speak.

Is it alright if they cost a little more, yes. But it is alright if they cost a little more, well, maybe not cause I'm sick and tired of grinding every time we get an update. Not saying I won't do it but what was all the previous work for?

So maybe. lol

You're swapping your skill trees for better ones, of course it should cost more.

There should absolutely be a cost to it.