PvP vibes check

cuddles_with_wroble · May 18

Just checking in to see what dosage of copium we are all on or not on. Are classes and sets balanced? Is Cyrodiil fun?… are bgs fun?

Calastir · May 18

Vengeance will save us

Never is, never was, never will be.

RebornV3x · May 18

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

PvP in its current state is the absolute worst ever there's no way someone could look me dead in the face and seriously tell me PvP is fine right now. At this point I wish they would just completely get rid of PVP in this game. Vengeance is a band aid on a broken limb at best.

RealLoveBVB · May 18

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

Voting for Xylena already, who only wants RoA nerfed/removed. Else everything is fine

The_Meathead · May 18

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

I was a bit conflicted on which option to pick.

I think PvP in general is actually pretty good, but that Cyrodiil needs limitations placed on Cross-Healing/Shields and a heavy nerf/removal of RoA and any other really problematic sets that surface, from time to time. Maybe the Cross-Heals/Shields nerfs constitutes big changes? I put it in scale against the Vengeance campaign that was fun temporarily but gave up so much individual choice that is a full-on rework/BIG change, so I picked "small changes."

Then again, the 2 team BGs are awful, so I don't even know.

PvP Combat itself is pretty good, just needs some tweaking - but instead we're getting/had massive overhauls of systems with BGs, Vengeance, and now Subclassing, all done by the same people who destroyed U35.

I wish they'd just kept up better (at all) with balance the past couple years.

xylena_lazarow · May 18

Vengeance will save us

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Voting for Xylena already, who only wants RoA nerfed/removed. Else everything is fine

Let's make a deal. You keep Rushing Agony. I get god mode. Very fair offer, limited time.

For real though, between RoA and double spec bows, build Cyro is cooked. Nobody is gonna wanna play this random invisible instant death fest once they've played the new simple but meaningful Vengeance build system.

They also fixed the slow mount speed in Vengeance, now all we need is the missing Meatbag siege.

JustLovely · May 18

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

Two team BG's are absolutely horrible though, my vote was based on Cyrodiil PvP. Cyro PvP was advertised as the primary end game activity during launch and why I log in to ESO.

Xarc · May 18

I like BGs, even if they are not perfect, but still better than what Cyrodiil has become.

WuffyCerulei · May 18

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

Definitely need more done to counter ball groups. They’re just so dang hard to deal with and legit make PVP unfun af a lot of the times.

Jestir · May 19

Vengeance will save us

The extremely positive reaction to Vengeance probably is why PvP is a complete afterthought with sub classing

I wish it wasn't so but things are gonna get really rough on this side of the game for a while

Zama666 · May 19

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

Fix lag and getting kicked.

MasterSpatula · May 19

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

PVP, in this game, is overseen by a guy who likes to play troll builds in PVP. I couldn't come up with a better way to describe the state of PVP in this game than that.

supabicboi · May 19

PvP is doomed

MasterSpatula wrote: »

PVP, in this game, is overseen by a guy who likes to play troll builds in PVP. I couldn't come up with a better way to describe the state of PVP in this game than that.

block tank wheeler smh disgusting.

Arrow312 · May 19

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

They need to adjust a few things but then it is fine.

- RoA monsters only
- heal stacking
- shield stacking
- reduce lag

I think when those few things happen it will be better exp. Because no one can be pulled like a ball from right to left and back. With the remove of heal / shield stacking they will make groups more killable.

What they cant fix is that people still chasing others in towers, around rocks....

Veinblood1965 · May 19

RebornV3x wrote: »

PvP in its current state is the absolute worst ever there's no way someone could look me dead in the face and seriously tell me PvP is fine right now. At this point I wish they would just completely get rid of PVP in this game. Vengeance is a band aid on a broken limb at best.

My sentiments exactly. It is just horrible in all areas. It's almost like it is deliberately unloved for any updates. Low population caps so it's hard to play on the weekends, ball group meta, stale zone that has not been updated at all since when I started playing years ago. We've had some new sets and some lancers along with multi function repair kits. Did we get a PVP related item wheel when extra wheels were introduced a while back?

JaxontheUnfortunate · May 20

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

The current state of pvp in all its forms has more or less driven me away from it entirely. Significant changes to balance will need to be done before I would engage in it again on a regular basis.

JustLovely · May 20

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

If vengeance mode become mandatory I'm done for sure. Vengeance mode is a totally different system than what we have now. I might be done anyway depending on how bad subclassing is, so we'll see I guess.

With all these changes I am not on board with at all I'm super glad I stopped supporting ZOS financially after U35.

RebornV3x · May 20

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

My few problems I have with PVP:

Is ROA needs to be fixed why is this one set allowed to break the rules? If this was any other MMO I would accuse the devs of purposefully leaving this set broken so they can exploit it in there off time. But I know ZOS devs don't play there own game cause nobody that has any power to change things in this game can seriously believe pvp is in a good state right now. Also the pull needs to be decreased a meter or 2 the tooltip says 12m but I swear its 13m or 14m+.
Players with 40k+ health shouldn't be allowed to still hit hard there needs to a massive trade off if you have more than 35k health
The time to kill in this game is bad I either die or kill my opponent in the first 15 seconds or we have a 5 minute fight where one of us dies of boredom, or just gives up and runs away and nothing in between.

fizzylu · May 22

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

PvP in this game died for me the day they removed 4v4v4 BGs. I can deal with broken sets and poor balancing, after all, every MMO has those issues.... but boring gameplay that puts me to sleep? I'll pass and will have zero interest in investing time into ESO PvP unless they bring back three team BGs with some new maps, rewards, etc.

mrreow · May 23

PvP is doomed

The only thing fun about PvP left is BG below 50. Still why no 4v4v4??

It will even withstand update 46 as multiclassing terribleness won’t start until 50.

Every other PvP was already broken and unfun. to finish it off with u46 is kind of brutal

Major_Mangle · May 23

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

mrreow wrote: »

The only thing fun about PvP left is BG below 50. Still why no 4v4v4??

It will even withstand update 46 as multiclassing terribleness won’t start until 50.

Every other PvP was already broken and unfun. to finish it off with u46 is kind of brutal

Sub 50 is the complete opposite in my experience, it´s just an excuse for smurfing and seal-clubbing like nothing else in this game. Honestly don´t see why sub 50 should even exist these days with how quick/easy it is to level up. Sub 50 Cyrodiil is literally only used for selling emperor achievement and sub 50 Battlegrounds is as I said a seal-clubbing smurf fest. Sub 50 PvP should just be removed completely if you ask me.

PvP in this game is at its core good/fine, but years of never ending power-creep and the developers refusing to listen to the active PvP community on what skills/tools etc are overtuned and needing adjustments (while simultaneously changing things that never needed to be changed) has brought us to where we´re at the moment. Unfortunately ZOS rather force us to play Vengeance (which is most likely what PvP gonna end up with if I had to guess) rather than making some easy changes to certain problematic tools.

mrreow · May 23

PvP is doomed

Below 50 is fun because mostly noone cares to min max. The distance between average player and PvP focused player in this game is a chasm that will only get exponentially wider in 46. Cyrodill is something that is unplayable at the moment

El_Borracho · May 23

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

The servers are still underpowered. Heal stacking is overpowered. Ball groups relying on both are annoying. Those are my main complaints.

Joy_Division · May 24

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

Tiny population
Dead map
Overpowered organized groups
No rewards for winning campaigns
Good thing because every campaign is won by nightcapping
Fights either are over in 5 seconds or are drawn out for 5 minutes
Do everything builds with 40K health
Everyone using Blood for Blood because no spammable except Concealed is fun, interesting, or effective
Constantly resetting MMR so BG matches are never balanced
Broken proc set used by every broken ball group that breaks the most important core rule in the game
Players running around with 10 HoTs on them
Unkillable troll tanks
The Eight forbid you Ele Sus said troll tank bc/ you're in combat for the next 20 minutes
The only siege oriented game ever designed in which it is more difficult to defend a walled castle than an unwalled outpost
Game still cant handle big fights
No dedicated PvP dev
No dev aware of how PvP meta is played
Company believes playing with a bug for an entire patch is preferable to hotfix
AvAvA been on autopilot for 6 years
Etc., etc., etc.

xylena_lazarow · May 24

Vengeance will save us

Joy_Division wrote: »

Everyone using Blood for Blood because no spammable except Concealed is fun, interesting, or effective

This is Rending Slashes slander and I shan't stand for it, even if it's only good on like two builds anymore!

I'd just like to add few more:

Instant ranged attacks and burst procs that fly at you like auto aim bullets that also go through walls
Leaving this alone while nerfing melee attacks with awful cast times, slow animations, and reduced damage
Double spectral bow
Double spectral bow

Divine1976 · May 24

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

Unless something major changes with Cyrodiil I'm done with it and ESO in general. I really enjoyed Vengeance but tired of subbing to ESO+ to feel second class to PVE all the time

Turtle_Bot · May 25

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Everyone using Blood for Blood because no spammable except Concealed is fun, interesting, or effective

This is Rending Slashes slander and I shan't stand for it, even if it's only good on like two builds anymore!

I'd just like to add few more:
Instant ranged attacks and burst procs that fly at you like auto aim bullets that also go through walls

Leaving this alone while nerfing melee attacks with awful cast times, slow animations, and reduced damage

Double spectral bow

Double spectral bow

I think you might have forgotten to add:

Double spectral bow

On a more serious note, I would add:

the blatant dev favoritism towards 1 particular class that never sees any meaningful nerf.
the lack of class representation within the dev team outside of 1 class that still has a dev that mains it and buffs it every patch.

Tigor · May 26

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

Over the top
No clear vision
Disregarding feedback
Underhand exploiting
Imbalances

Adding stuff is leading to more disproportion. Simplification would make it more fair. Vengeance+ ideally.

Qagh · May 26

PvP is not fine, big changes / reworks needed

Read the other 100000 threads about the problems in PvP. 😉

DeadlySerious · May 26

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

If a version of vengeance mode is mandated it will be the death of ESO PvP I think.

To me it looks like ZOS is all in with vengeance mode and not doing anything to improve their original version of PvP, which they told us was the purpose of vengeance mode in the first place. So why aren't we seeing any changes to the original PvP format based on what they've learned from the "vengeance tests"?

RealLoveBVB · May 27

PvP is fine, but small changes are needed

DeadlySerious wrote: »

So why aren't we seeing any changes to the original PvP format based on what they've learned from the "vengeance tests"?

So you want all dot-skills and passives removed?

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