Lol, lucky. I need 6 more wins for my mount and I will also never touch this awfulness again. The matches I find myself in really couldn't be more unbalanced if the actual *goal* was to make them unbalanced. Most of them result in one team spawn camping the other and players giving up or leaving and taking the penalty.

The trolling is bad too - I was in a 8v8 chaos ball where my team pushed the other side back to spawn immediately, and then mostly spent the entire rest of the match *not* picking up the chaos balls and dragging it out and just trying to get a crazy number of kills.

It's just all around so bad and not really fun for most people in most matchups.

Yeah, I've reached the point where I can't even force myself to complete a match anymore.

The problems go far deeper than the format. And to be clear, I MUCH prefer two teams. Going to two teams was a step in the right direction because the right direction is one that successful PVP games have traversed for decades.

Unfortunately, ESO PVP seems to be designed in a bubble, as if the last 30 years of online pvp gaming hasn't happened. I think this is because ESO PVP is never mission critical. It's never someone's main responsibility. So they can be completely whimsical about it. This isn't bashing, it is my honest opinion.

I could write a book about my bad experiences, but the main thing is that ZOS needs to try harder. PVP needs dedicated devs who iterate every month and can make fast adjustments within a week when necessary. I know it's never going to happen though.

Been in countless matches where people are "protesting" PvP and purposely throwing matches.

I did my first 8v8 last night. Was Chaos Ball and the other team did eventually win but could have done it much sooner. We had two players that just stood on the platform firing arrows at the enemy. They had four players positioned so AoE was covering the edge of our platform and the landing area below. Several times in a row I was dead almost before landing and definitely before I could move or react even if I shielded up before leaping down.
Finally found I could jump towards a corner and if I landed just right I would be barely out of the AoE. From there a couple of roll dodges would get me in the fight but that ran my stamina low so one stun and I was finished. I used to like battlegrounds but that was a horrid gaming experience. The map design was the biggest problem as one side could stand on a platform the same height as our spawn platform and just spam AoE with relative safety and even if we could get down there was a choke point between us and the AoE spammers.
I didn't go in with my full PvP build but not sure that would made much of a difference. Maybe I would have survived a bit longer. I'll do a few more with my complete set-up but that map (the small bit I saw) is not well designed.

minnowfaun wrote: »

PC EU 8v8 Group - Today was the last day I stand around wasting time in an unbalanced, poorly matched BG where the stronger team refuses to score and end the match. I've been on the winning side and the losing side and no matter which side it is a miserable experience standing around when one or two players (some cases a whole team) hold the entire BG hostage by not scoring. I don't have a problem losing. I have a problem when players decide to troll and waste my time, and everyone else's by holding on to the relic and not scoring, holding people at spawn and refusing to pick up the chaos ball, holding people at spawn and refusing to stand on a flag. It's happening nearly every day and it is the worst experience ever. I'm done.

I've got the mount. I'm free. Goodbye BGs.

This used to be an issue in MOBA games too, they corrected it by implementing comeback mechanics.

Basically if your team is getting stomped, there would be some mechanic that if your team worked towards it, would give you a temporary advantage that could allow you to make a comeback and beat the other team.

This would incentivize the losing team to not just quit out, while also incentivizing the winning team to not stale/throw the game.

minnowfaun wrote: »

I have a problem when players decide to troll and waste my time, and everyone else's by holding on to the relic and not scoring

You do realize you CANNOT score when the relic of your own team is not at its original location, right ?

FWIW I've been having much quicker success with 4x4. 8x8 just seems to take much longer...if your goal is the daily bonus at least.

Desiato wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

Do you play on EU or NA?

I play on PC/NA.

In terms of team balance, MMR is only one relevant aspect. The game also needs apply traits to the characters being played and balance those traits. Example traits would be tank, healer, bomber, evasion, brawler, etc.. It would also be ideal if the game could recognize the disruptive builds that have essentially become standard like the charming mechanical acuity Warden.

And then consider how long we've waited for this match -- which makes it a big waste of time if it's bad. So also balance teams mid-match when necessary to ensure the best match quality possible.

However, none of these things matter if players don't have buy-in. Don't want someone to spoil CTF so they can DM? Then don't force them to play CTF!!! I mean, why does this even need to be said? Imagine waiting 10 minutes in queue, a few more minutes waiting for players, only to be confronted with a game mode you absolutely do not want to play. It is crucial they allow us to select the modes we wish to play.

I was in a BG where one of our team said they had 4 NBs on the other team. This was a 8x8 match. I don’t know how he knew that before we started (the other team doesn’t show up on screen like it did for 3 team) but we got massacred even though I had revealing flare. This should not happen.

Jierdanit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

Do you play on EU or NA?

I play on PC/NA.

In terms of team balance, MMR is only one relevant aspect. The game also needs apply traits to the characters being played and balance those traits. Example traits would be tank, healer, bomber, evasion, brawler, etc.. It would also be ideal if the game could recognize the disruptive builds that have essentially become standard like the charming mechanical acuity Warden.

And then consider how long we've waited for this match -- which makes it a big waste of time if it's bad. So also balance teams mid-match when necessary to ensure the best match quality possible.

However, none of these things matter if players don't have buy-in. Don't want someone to spoil CTF so they can DM? Then don't force them to play CTF!!! I mean, why does this even need to be said? Imagine waiting 10 minutes in queue, a few more minutes waiting for players, only to be confronted with a game mode you absolutely do not want to play. It is crucial they allow us to select the modes we wish to play.

I was in a BG where one of our team said they had 4 NBs on the other team. This was a 8x8 match. I don’t know how he knew that before we started (the other team doesn’t show up on screen like it did for 3 team) but we got massacred even though I had revealing flare. This should not happen.

You can open the Scoreboard manually (I believe the default keybind is F5).

And certain addons show more infos on the scoreboard, such as the class for each player or their damage/Healing of each player without having to select them.

This is on console so no idea. Probably well-hidden button press.

Grega wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

Do you play on EU or NA?

I play on PC/NA.

In terms of team balance, MMR is only one relevant aspect. The game also needs apply traits to the characters being played and balance those traits. Example traits would be tank, healer, bomber, evasion, brawler, etc.. It would also be ideal if the game could recognize the disruptive builds that have essentially become standard like the charming mechanical acuity Warden.

And then consider how long we've waited for this match -- which makes it a big waste of time if it's bad. So also balance teams mid-match when necessary to ensure the best match quality possible.

However, none of these things matter if players don't have buy-in. Don't want someone to spoil CTF so they can DM? Then don't force them to play CTF!!! I mean, why does this even need to be said? Imagine waiting 10 minutes in queue, a few more minutes waiting for players, only to be confronted with a game mode you absolutely do not want to play. It is crucial they allow us to select the modes we wish to play.

I was in a BG where one of our team said they had 4 NBs on the other team. This was a 8x8 match. I don’t know how he knew that before we started (the other team doesn’t show up on screen like it did for 3 team) but we got massacred even though I had revealing flare. This should not happen.

You can open the Scoreboard manually (I believe the default keybind is F5).

And certain addons show more infos on the scoreboard, such as the class for each player or their damage/Healing of each player without having to select them.

This is on console so no idea. Probably well-hidden button press.

The same combination that gets you into a housing editor. It’s displayed on the screen when you load into a BG. Then you scroll through players and press x which will give you options to look at more details for each player, or look at the GT, Xbox profile.

It’s also since there is less than like 100 people on any server actually playing bgs, those 50 sweats of the entire player base that plays them all know each other. So it’s not that they are looking, they just know all the toons that each player has and their playstyles.

That would be right d-pad and circle button. I will have to try it next time. I have four minutes to kill anyway. Funny I never noticed it onscreen. Thanks.

Don't mind wasting a little bit of time if my team is winning. It's just the worst when you're losing and that one NB goes permacloak on field and refuses to fight or camp in spawn... Or capture the relic, where each of the team holds onto the other relics, refusing to move away from spawn. If we're ever going back to 3 teams, CtR needs it badly.