They could start with conditions to the passives like „this effect scales with the number of slotted class skill lines from [this skill line‘s original class]“.
Maybe that‘s already enough to help pure classes.

After seeing some parses it really looks like it is necessary to get some "compensation/incentive" (normally I despise both these words) to be able to play 'pureclass' without feeling punished too much for doing so.

Personally I don't expect to get 170k+ dps for playing only with skills from one class, but 170k+ dps shouldn't be possible at all.

Perhaps we can settle around 120k dps for single class and 140k dps max for really sweaty multiclass builds?

Some flat bonuses for playing single class seems like an elegant solution to me.

In general I do agree pure classes need something special. But ZOS should not do anything for pure classes based on the number of base class skillines chosen, as that might scare players away from using subclassing. It would be better to give pure classes something powerful only available with three class skillines:

1: Extremely powerful ultimate, like 5 times more powerful than regular ultimates.
2: A unique very powerful class transformation, only available to pure classes.
3: Maybe an exp or gold drop bonus for pure classes.

There are probably more options than these, but I can't think of them right now. But being pure class or subclassing, needs to be a fair choice.

PS: I am also against using "with class abilities slotted" for either pasives or skills themselves, as that makes subclassing significantly weaker and less fun.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

It doesn't need to be anything special.

Simply leave all the skills alone if the character has all 3 original skill trees.

Point taken, but I think we will be in the backseat where damage is concerned. I can't see pure skill builds ever competing with the excessive damage put out by subclass builds. That is if ZOS are not willing to make massive balancing changes between the two styles.

I would like to see the nerfs removed from sorc and dk in particular. I really hate that classes are being pre-penalized because of subclassing. The patch note below bothered me:

Based on a lot of the initial feedback we’ve seen, there were some very good cases about how walking this passive back to a pet-build hurt those who don't want to subclass. While we are still going to keep Daedric Summoning focused on what the name implies, we do realize we can still account for the fact not every ability in this skill line is about summoning. In this case, the passive will be slightly less dense than something like Magicka Flood while offering a potential advantage if you lean further into the skill line. This exact solution isn't something we can apply everywhere (largely because this split can lead to a significant amount of performance drain), but it is something that works in this case where we are gaining something both for players and the servers.

How about change the name of skill line? Half of the skill line is not even about summoning Daedra. Call it Daedric Sorcery and let people continue playing it how they've enjoyed it for a long time.

s3dulo wrote: »

I would like to see the nerfs removed from sorc and dk in particular. I really hate that classes are being pre-penalized because of subclassing. The patch note below bothered me:

Based on a lot of the initial feedback we’ve seen, there were some very good cases about how walking this passive back to a pet-build hurt those who don't want to subclass. While we are still going to keep Daedric Summoning focused on what the name implies, we do realize we can still account for the fact not every ability in this skill line is about summoning. In this case, the passive will be slightly less dense than something like Magicka Flood while offering a potential advantage if you lean further into the skill line. This exact solution isn't something we can apply everywhere (largely because this split can lead to a significant amount of performance drain), but it is something that works in this case where we are gaining something both for players and the servers.

How about change the name of skill line? Half of the skill line is not even about summoning Daedra. Call it Daedric Sorcery and let people continue playing it how they've enjoyed it for a long time.

I agree, a very unsatisfying answer. Changing the name isn't so half baked as some people may think, the answer may be as simple as that. It may need thinking outside the box.

I don’t understand why there isn’t a scaling factor applied to subclass skills compared to pure class skills. I just recently slotted Banner Bearer on an alt from scribing, and I get the fiery bonus but I have to take a hit to health, stamina and magicka recovery to do so. Not a small hit - it’s 33%. Why is that not extended to subclassing?

s3dulo wrote: »

I would like to see the nerfs removed from sorc and dk in particular. I really hate that classes are being pre-penalized because of subclassing. The patch note below bothered me:

Based on a lot of the initial feedback we’ve seen, there were some very good cases about how walking this passive back to a pet-build hurt those who don't want to subclass. While we are still going to keep Daedric Summoning focused on what the name implies, we do realize we can still account for the fact not every ability in this skill line is about summoning. In this case, the passive will be slightly less dense than something like Magicka Flood while offering a potential advantage if you lean further into the skill line. This exact solution isn't something we can apply everywhere (largely because this split can lead to a significant amount of performance drain), but it is something that works in this case where we are gaining something both for players and the servers.

How about change the name of skill line? Half of the skill line is not even about summoning Daedra. Call it Daedric Sorcery and let people continue playing it how they've enjoyed it for a long time.

it used to actually summon armor... back then it was 3/5 skills that actually summoned something... i kinda miss my launch sorc.. but at the same time my fashion is off the charts and i would hate being forced to wear shock white daedric heavy armor anytime i slotted a skill in the current state of ESO.

actually Daedric Sorcery fits as a name pretty well.. +1 dude.