Er, the item's tooltip shows Light or Medium, unless I'm mistaken that tells you the type of material is uses (Cloth or Leather), so I don't see any confusion.

KerinKor wrote: »

Er, the item's tooltip shows Light or Medium, unless I'm mistaken that tells you the type of material is uses (Cloth or Leather), so I don't see any confusion.

i understand that, there is no confusion as this was an accident, however when you're crafting armor, one can make an honest mistake / briefly forget that the first items in that line are cloth, then it switches to leather with nothing really telling you, apart from you just needing to know.

It's not a huge issue as I said, just something to help make things a little clearer when crafting armor.

It's also makes sense since leather and cloth are 2 different materials. Light / medium / heavy has 0 to do with it, it's about the processes being different...cloth involves a loom, leather involves Tanning...totally different..the only thing in common is stitching in some places, yet leather working would also use rivets too.

Might as well just add heavy armor to clothing as well after the leather goods, it's all clothing.

you all can make it like I'm saying it's this huge confusing thing..it's not, but people here tend to read something incorrectly, interpret it wrong, then run with it. i made a hasty choice when going to do that research, it skipped my mind about them being cloth first then leather, then immediately realized my mistake...something simple just saying cloth items then a slash then leather. that's it.

i'm not crying, not saying the game is terrible, not asking for items to be restored...just a friendly reminder for players to avoid a mistake.

Jeremy_gelber_ESO wrote: »

um just make that item on your leatherworker since you've researched it and stuff it in the bank for your clothier.

whats the problem?

yeah, that's an option that's already gone through my head.

as I've already said, i did this really early on an alt, so I WILL GET THIS item back at some point to research on the right toon, or i will do what you've said, make it and research...so it's NOT a BIG problem....just looking for something separating the leather items from the cloth rather than them just blending together. I also don't think I'd get the normal amount of inspiration from researching through an item i've made.

apparently this will throw everyone's world into upheaval if they did this, so jeez, forget it was asked.

all that asside, they should be different anyway since they're different materials / different processing involved, so from that point alone, lines should be different, but whatever, not a major issue.

If the Cloth and Leather items were separated like Blacksmithing does with Weapons + Armour, and like Woodworking does with Shields + Bows and Staves, it'd make research a little bit easier. If I make a blunder it's 2-4 days (or more) down the drain for that particular item (though on my Clothier I aim to get all Light and Medium armour traits so it would be more of a "I wanted to research that trait on Medium armour this time, not Light, ugh..."). It's still the same skill line, just different tabs in the crafting/research menu.

I have an addon that allows further management of the inventory/bank by filtering slots to show only Medium Shoulder armour, for example. It's very handy, and it would be nice to have something like this for research; though being that specific isn't necessary, just separating the Light and Medium armour into their own tabs, not skills would suit me just fine.

So far I've avoided time-costly blunders through banking just the items I want to research (I have a traited item holder alt). Not an ideal work around if you have very few characters or prefer keep items stored on your Leatherworker, so it isn't a solution that would work for everyone.

I would not oppose creating a separate tab for medium armor, but asking them to split it off as a separate skill is, well a horrible idea. So to craft medium you would need to dedicate an additional 20 some odd pts to ANOTHER craft skill.

It's also been pointed out in many threads that the availability of leather makes skilling on it alone, VERY difficult, without cloth, you would find yourself always short on resources for skilling it up.

I'm confused – if you could research the trait from the item for light armor, you wouldn't have been able to use the same item to research the trait for medium armor. They require you find the same type of item to research the trait.

They also use different sets of base materials, so the only overlap is in the racial materials and trait stones. So it's not like you could accidentally make a light armor helmet and burn all your leather materials for making a medium armor helmet.

Lupinemw wrote: »

@kirnmalidus what he's saying is that he saw a hat and then researched it and didn't realise it was light instead of Medium. Yes the name is different and yes you can check but he's suggesting there be a more for want of a better term idiot proof element to it.

I don't see how it isn't already idiot-proof. Even if you screw up there isn't really much of a downside.

You lost 6 hours of research time due to a mistake you made, so you thought it would be a good idea to have Zenimax spend countless hours changing and recoding an entire profession to prevent you from making another mistake?

Makes sense.

Understanding the time lost is annoying, u can always create the item researched on the wrong character with that character, stick it in your bank, and research it with the correct crafter. Doesn't get back the time you lost researching, but it does save you from having to refind the item.