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I guessed “Lep Seclusa” meaning
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Actually the author still remembers a phrase "My lips are sealed". So "Lep" = "Lips", "Seclusa" = "Secluded", or just sealed. So it was an interesting puzzle.
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Grizzbeorn wrote: »OR, or... hidden bunny.
Or hidden charm…
Or pretty secluded places…
Or bucket, if we go with Middle English!
Or flypaper…
Or something completely different - they have certainly futzed with language before (looking at you, Chroma Incognito). Who knows what they meant here? It’d be neat to hear from them, though.1 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Or
Lep = Lap
Sec = Second
Lusa = Loser
So
Lep Seclusa = When competing winning is everything, second places are for losers.0 -
Sindarin✭✭✭or from Latin
Noun
lep (plural leps)
(rare, sciences) A butterfly or moth (like, you know? Order of the Ancient Moth in Elders Scrolls
and
secluse = remote
esp knowing that there are moths priests protecting the Elder Scroll
but it can be far fetched3 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭or from Latin
Noun
lep (plural leps)
(rare, sciences) A butterfly or moth (like, you know? Order of the Ancient Moth in Elders Scrolls
and
secluse = remote
esp knowing that there are moths priests protecting the Elder Scroll
but it can be far fetched
Lep does not mean butterfly or moth in Latin. What you're finding is short for the scientific name Lepidoptera, which is a modern term combining the Greek word lepis (scale, as in fish scales, not balances or climbing) and pteron (wing).4 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lep does not mean butterfly or moth in Latin. What you're finding is short for the scientific name Lepidoptera, which is a modern term combining the Greek word lepis (scale, as in fish scales, not balances or climbing) and pteron (wing).
While you're correct, I still think, from context especially, that Lepidoptera might have been the inspiration. ZOS has utilized Latin (or pseudo-Latin) terms, especially from biology, quite often in the past. Think of the doomvaults in Blackwood: Vulpinaz (with a fox symbol inside - Vulpes), Carpraxus (goat symbol - Capra) and Porcixid (boar symbol - Porcus).
For seclusa, which is a correct Latin word this time, I think the best translation would be "hidden".
Keep in mind this place is a hidden Moth Priest sanctuary.
Edited by Syldras on April 13, 2025 12:32AM@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake1 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lep does not mean butterfly or moth in Latin. What you're finding is short for the scientific name Lepidoptera, which is a modern term combining the Greek word lepis (scale, as in fish scales, not balances or climbing) and pteron (wing).
While you're correct, I still think, from context especially, that Lepidoptera might have been the inspiration. ZOS has utilized Latin (or pseudo-Latin) terms, especially from biology, quite often in the past. Think of the doomvaults in Blackwood: Vulpinaz (with a fox symbol inside - Vulpes), Carpraxus (goat symbol - Capra) and Porcixid (boar symbol - Porcus).
For seclusa, which is a correct Latin word this time, I think the best translation would be "hidden".
Keep in mind this place is a hidden Moth Priest sanctuary.
If Lepidoptera is the inspiration, that would be neat! And it would absolutely make sense in terms of meaning.
My point was that Lep would be derived from a scientific term based on Greek words, not related to Latin or pseudo-Latin. That doesn't make it illegitimate or lesser or anything, of course, just clarifying the source of the words. This was actually a fun rabbit hole: the words "lepis" and "pteron" (and forms thereof) appear in only two Latin texts (Pliny's encyclopedia of natural history and Celsus's treatise on medicine), where they are defined in Latin terms, which suggests they wouldn't have been recognizable to readers. In at least some manuscripts of Celsus, the word "lepis" is actually left in Greek letters rather than transliterated.
Your point about precedent is a good one and would be borne out here as well: ZOS has previously combined a Greek-based word and Latin-based word in a single term before, as in Chroma Incognito. They don't see a need to stick to only one language for a source within a single name.1 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If Lepidoptera is the inspiration, that would be neat! And it would absolutely make sense in terms of meaning.
My point was that Lep would be derived from a scientific term based on Greek words, not related to Latin or pseudo-Latin. That doesn't make it illegitimate or lesser or anything, of course, just clarifying the source of the words. This was actually a fun rabbit hole: the words "lepis" and "pteron" (and forms thereof) appear in only two Latin texts (Pliny's encyclopedia of natural history and Celsus's treatise on medicine), where they are defined in Latin terms, which suggests they wouldn't have been recognizable to readers. In at least some manuscripts of Celsus, the word "lepis" is actually left in Greek letters rather than transliterated.
Your point about precedent is a good one and would be borne out here as well: ZOS has previously combined a Greek-based word and Latin-based word in a single term before, as in Chroma Incognito. They don't see a need to stick to only one language for a source within a single name.
Yes, I understand and agree. I should have been more precise; I didn't mean to claim that lepis was Latin, I just wanted to mention that ZOS might not have used Latin this time (like Sindarin had written), but that they did in the past - so there seems to be a tendency to utilize Classical languages as an inspiration in general.
Although I have to admit that I was not quite content with the way it was implemented in Apocrypha. Sometimes it was - how to explain it... - too close to feel like being just an inspiration, but then grammatically completely incorrect or strangely puzzled together with other terms. A word or name like Vulpinaz feels like an inspired "fantasy word" to me, and that's fine. But when it gets to "Libram Cathedral", it just sounds and feels somehow "wrong" to me.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭arctangent wrote: »Lep Seclusa is outclassed in word play by Nonungalo, though.
What is the word play?0
