What's the point in ESO+ now?

WildRaptorX · April 10

We don’t even get a premium feature - Subclassing is free, no companions etc. this is terrible.

AzuraFan · April 10

Ezhh wrote: »

Furnishing vault doesn't make up for effectively being asked to buy content I already pay to have access to.

Agreed. I'm not into housing, so effectively this does nothing for me. There should have been more. ESO+ subscribers are being hit with a significant price increase.

Tyrobag · April 10

Ezhh wrote: »

Furnishing vault doesn't make up for effectively being asked to buy content I already pay to have access to.

Yeah, I don't need a "furnishing vault", I have extra houses. I'd rather get what I'm paying for, otherwise I'm sure as heck not going to pay for it lol

metheglyn · April 10

While the furnishing vault is nice enough, I'm a bit frustrated by this new monetization model. I've had ESO + for a long time, not just for the craft bag, and I'm really not sure it's going to be worth it anymore.

Tyralbin · April 10

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I watched until the end of the stream and didn't hear anything about ESO+.

Did I miss something?

Wuduwasa13 · April 10

We have storage vaults already they’re called unused houses.

AzuraFan · April 10

Tyralbin wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I watched until the end of the stream and didn't hear anything about ESO+.

Did I miss something?

The new furnishing vault will be an ESO+ perk.

Darkstorne · April 10

lillybit wrote: »

There were 4 releases a year and only 1 needed to be paid for separately for access; 3 were available for free with ESO+

Now we're being forced to buy dungeons whether we want them or not, as well as the second half of the zone which would've previously been another zone/release. The dungeons will still be free on ESO+ for people who don't buy the pass, and meanwhile those who bought it had to pay to own them just to get access to the rebranded chapter.

So what am I getting from ESO+ if I now have to buy all 4 releases instead of just 1?

Yep. My concerns exactly.

Either let me buy just the zone content at a fair price that respects ESO+ subscribers, or I'll sit the new zone out until it goes on a deep sale.

lillybit · April 10

Ezhh wrote: »

Furnishing vault doesn't make up for effectively being asked to buy content I already pay to have access to.

I think in practice it'll be really limited too - if you're in to housing, 500 furnishings is nothing and mostly you don't have huge stacks of the same things to store, or at least I don't. The few I do currently go in a storage chest which is more than up to the job

majulook · April 10

I am confused
1. ESO+ and this GamePass are separate and always or will be. So it does not become available as part of ESO+ in 2026?

2. Its not a Chapter or a DLC its another thing with separate purchase requirement?

WhiteScythe · April 10

majulook wrote: »

I am confused ESO+ and this GamePass are separate and always or will be. So it does not become available as part of ESO+ in 2026?

I am also confused.. ESO+ isn't attractive anymore if they are making us buy these "content passes" and no the furniture vault doesn't entice me at all.

Really missed the mark here ZOS - get your MONETIZATION correct before you ask me to hand over $135 for the Content Pass "Premium" (this is how much it costs in AUD which is INSANITY)

Adremal · April 10

AzuraFan wrote: »

Agreed. I'm not into housing, so effectively this does nothing for me. There should have been more. ESO+ subscribers are being hit with a significant price increase.

Even if you were into housing nothing was mentioned about updating the ludicrously obsolete furnishing limit, and the vast majority of people who take housing seriously have a bunch of "dedicate wharehouses" already to stock their furnishings, meaning it's gonna be a very minor QoL update. The crux, i.e. the furnishing limit, has not been mentioned and will probably remain the same till EoS.

Elsonso · April 10

Ezhh wrote: »

Furnishing vault doesn't make up for effectively being asked to buy content I already pay to have access to.

The value change for 2025 is one reason why I am considering not getting it.

I can't tell if I should consider it a price increase or a content reduction... or both.

The Worm Cult island feels like Southern Elsweyr to me, but with a blue wall down the middle. So, figure about 2000-3000 Crowns in value.

The blue wall event sounds like it can be skipped because once it is down, it is down for the server. Once that happens, it should not matter whether a player participated or not, other than any bling or achievement that was parceled out.

The only thing added to ESO Plus is the furniture cabinet, but I have a half dozen properties in the game that already serve that purpose that I received for free. I also don't keep everything. I delete junk furniture stuff.

driosketch · April 10

I didn't catch the stream, so it took me a minute to figure out the issue. It's not that ESO+ has lost access to anything, the DLC dungeon access is still a thing. It's that the content of the new area and dungeon packs are now bundled. The content pass is on the pricier side, especially as I don't care about the dungeons either way, but that's an issue with the bundling and not with ESO+.

wolfie1.0. · April 10

Eso+ under the chapter formula gave us access to the dungeon dlc, old chapters, and the 2nd smaller q3/q4 zone.

Now it's just the 2 dungeon dlcs, and the order content. What we miss out on is the one time event (consist actually) and the second zone (which isn't)

Besides that we get the other eso+ benefits. But we don't get much else. We actually lose value unless they increase crowns, reduce the prices, or give us some other tangible benefit.

AzuraFan · April 10

Adremal wrote: »

Even if you were into housing nothing was mentioned about updating the ludicrously obsolete furnishing limit, and the vast majority of people who take housing seriously have a bunch of "dedicate wharehouses" already to stock their furnishings, meaning it's gonna be a very minor QoL update. The crux, i.e. the furnishing limit, has not been mentioned and will probably remain the same till EoS.

Yep, I can see that. I think the content pass is a terrible deal for ESO+ subscribers and just posted that in the official feedback thread. I encourage other subscribers to do the same.

cptscotty · April 10

ESO's biggest sellers of the game is its player base. This ESO Direct event should have been a tool for the sellers/players to help sell more people and friends to the game. Instead of hype, we have more questions and concerns.

Another missed opportunity.

Danikat · April 10

I don't subscribe currently because it's not worth it for me, and I do have several chests full of furniture but the furniture vault is not going to tempt me to subscribe.

Not only do I already have a place to store it, but I'm only keeping those furnishings in chests because I've been putting off deciding what I'm doing with several houses. If I get on and make my mind up I could use or sell most of them, which would not only be free but would end up with actually using the furnishings, so it's the better deal all around. Between the two if I ever was tempted to subscribe for furniture storage I'd definitely use them to decorate houses instead.

(I do also have a storage house, but I shifted stuff to the chests because then it shows up in the menu when I'm decorating rather than having to go and retrieve it before I can even try out using it.)

agelonestar · April 10

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

licenturion · April 10

U get a furnishing bag extra.

agelonestar wrote: »

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

They have the data.

The fact that they hammered explicitly on the fact that 'you own this stuff' in the stream. And the whole dungeon pack thing that also got a mention and unleashed a whole storm online makes me feel like they acknowledge the players who like to buy stuff are a vast majority.

So it seems like the strategy is now: content = buying and services = ESO+

In a way this makes sense. If you saw in the intro video how big the team is. If they give all the new content for free + the value fully back in crowns to spend (like a lot seem to want here), they basically earn almost nothing for all the work they put in the game from plus members. People and servers need to get paid if you want new content down the line.

AzuraFan · April 10

driosketch wrote: »

I didn't catch the stream, so it took me a minute to figure out the issue. It's not that ESO+ has lost access to anything, the DLC dungeon access is still a thing. It's that the content of the new area and dungeon packs are now bundled. The content pass is on the pricier side, especially as I don't care about the dungeons either way, but that's an issue with the bundling and not with ESO+.

You're absolutely right. If they hadn't included the dungeons in the content pass, nobody would be complaining.

They should have offered the dungeons separately. Not everyone wants the dungeons, but now they have to pay for them to get access to the new zone. And subscribers certainly don't want to have to pay for them because they already have access to them.

Wuduwasa13 · April 10

agelonestar wrote: »

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

An overpriced storage management perk.

Tandor · April 10

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

We have storage vaults already they’re called unused houses.

Can you stack a thousand chairs in any of those? Plus 499 stacks of other items?

Elsonso · April 10

agelonestar wrote: »

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

I think that this has been the reality since last year.

AzuraFan wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I didn't catch the stream, so it took me a minute to figure out the issue. It's not that ESO+ has lost access to anything, the DLC dungeon access is still a thing. It's that the content of the new area and dungeon packs are now bundled. The content pass is on the pricier side, especially as I don't care about the dungeons either way, but that's an issue with the bundling and not with ESO+.

You're absolutely right. If they hadn't included the dungeons in the content pass, nobody would be complaining.

Well... I think they would. The Worm Cult island and the blue wall do not feel like the same thing as a Chapter. People were already complaining last year that Gold Road felt scaled back from Necrom. This island does not even feel Gold Road sized. It feels Southern Elsweyr or Gold Coast.

It feels like the dungeons are added to the pot so the pot does not look so empty.

lillybit · April 10

Tandor wrote: »

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

We have storage vaults already they’re called unused houses.

Can you stack a thousand chairs in any of those? Plus 499 stacks of other items?

Do you have 1000 chairs? I know i don't and don't see any reason I would want or need to

Wuduwasa13 · April 10

Tandor wrote: »

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

We have storage vaults already they’re called unused houses.

Can you stack a thousand chairs in any of those? Plus 499 stacks of other items?

[snip]

To add: simply because a potential use exists, does not make the function valuable to those operating with the normal parameters, of which collecting any furnishing in the triple 0 range or more, is not.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

Stx · April 10

licenturion wrote: »

U get a furnishing bag extra.

agelonestar wrote: »

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

They have the data.

The fact that they hammered explicitly on the fact that 'you own this stuff' in the stream. And the whole dungeon pack thing that also got a mention and unleashed a whole storm online makes me feel like they acknowledge the players who like to buy stuff are a vast majority.

So it seems like the strategy is now: content = buying and services = ESO+

In a way this makes sense. If you saw in the intro video how big the team is. If they give all the new content for free + the value fully back in crowns to spend (like a lot seem to want here), they basically earn almost nothing for all the work they put in the game from plus members. People and servers need to get paid if you want new content down the line.

I don’t follow that reasoning. ESO offers less content and far less service and updates to the game for the same price as other AAA MmOs. The product is what matters at the end of the day. Guild wars 2 offers a similar level of content for 25 dollars a year box price and the cost of whatever old DLC you want to buy which isn’t much compared to the price of buying all old content in ESO.

AzuraFan · April 10

Elsonso wrote: »

Well... I think they would. The Worm Cult island and the blue wall do not feel like the same thing as a Chapter. People were already complaining last year that Gold Road felt scaled back from Necrom. This island does not even feel Gold Road sized. It feels Southern Elsweyr or Gold Coast.

It feels like the dungeons are added to the pot so the pot does not look so empty.

I meant ESO+ subscribers wouldn't be complaining about having to pay AGAIN for something they already have access to, but I take your point. In my currency, the pass is $66, which is expensive, especially since I'm a subscriber. Usually right after the annual reveal, I'm pulling out my credit card to preorder, but not this time.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 10

@ZOS_Kevin could you clarify in the FAQ - Do ESO+ members still get access to all past chapters and content provided they have an active sub?

It's not really clear if you now 'have' to buy the new premium season pass to access this content or if you can access it in the same way that you used to be able to each June when the new chapter comes out and the old chapters converted into DLC's.

metheglyn · April 10

licenturion wrote: »

U get a furnishing bag extra.

agelonestar wrote: »

From what I can tell, ESO+ is now exclusively a storage management perk.

They have the data.

The fact that they hammered explicitly on the fact that 'you own this stuff' in the stream. And the whole dungeon pack thing that also got a mention and unleashed a whole storm online makes me feel like they acknowledge the players who like to buy stuff are a vast majority.

So it seems like the strategy is now: content = buying and services = ESO+

In a way this makes sense. If you saw in the intro video how big the team is. If they give all the new content for free + the value fully back in crowns to spend (like a lot seem to want here), they basically earn almost nothing for all the work they put in the game from plus members. People and servers need to get paid if you want new content down the line.

I know the people who work on this game need to get paid. Paying for ESO+ and a chapter every year wasn't asking for anything for free.

Right now, I have access to two of the dungeons in the bundle because I subscribe to this game. Why, exactly, should I pay for those dungeons again?

The value of ESO+ for me has always been partly craft bag, partly the extra storage space, and partly the DLC content, both dungeon and story. Now the dungeons and story are in the season pass, making ESO+ lose value for me.

I would much prefer if the upcoming content also had a non-bundled option, so I could choose what I wanted to buy.