twisttop138 wrote: »I have this item. I would love it for other people to have it. It feels weird to tell others they shouldn't have some furnishing because it would cheapen its "value" to me. It would not. This was not some mount earned by doing the hardest content in the game or something. It seems some derive some feeling of superiority from having things others can't have. I never understood this. I would not be against them making a similar furnishing available as a compromise but I'm not against the actual furniture being made available either. This is just my opinion though, and it does not matter really. In the grand scheme of things, ZOS will do what they please in this matter.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »JiubLeRepenti wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »JiubLeRepenti wrote: »How is this not the same?
Very simple:
- I've never asked for it to come back to the Crown Store. It was there, so I bought it
- If the house hadn't returned to the Crown Store, I wouldn’t have complained or made a thread asking for it to come back
- I paid for it, while the people who got it during the event didn’t pay for it
Literally nobody is asking for it to be free. They just want the chance to buy it. Exactly like you did for the Grand Psijic Villa.
Once again, I’ve never asked for it to come back to the Crown Store.
- Grand Psijic Villa is back in the Crown Store? Nice, I'll pay for it
- Grand Psijic Villa isn’t back in the Crown Store? Too bad, I missed it for good, but it’s not a big deal
You're focusing on the fact that I paid for this house, even though it wasn’t something I was begging for. That’s just a minor detail in my whole point.
I just feel like you’re trying to put words in my mouth. If the Grand Psijic Villa hadn’t been available for purchase, I would never have complained about it—just like I previously said that, even though I don’t have the Dragon’s Treasure Trove in my collection, I still think it shouldn’t come back.
@JiubLeRepenti, you keep insisting there’s no contradiction here, but the contradiction isn’t in whether you asked for the Villa to return—it’s in the principle you’re defending. You say exclusivity is good, and that items like the Dragon’s Treasure Trove “shouldn’t come back,” because the people who were there “earned” them. Yet when the Villa did come back, you bought it without hesitation and without concern that doing so might diminish anyone else’s achievement. You didn’t decline on principle. You participated.
That’s the point.
Sorry, but I still don't see any contradiction here.
There's a big difference for me between explicitly asking or lobbying for an item to return—regardless of what the people who originally got it during an exclusive period may think—versus simply obtaining the item you wanted but missed when it becomes available again.And that’s not a 6 or a 9. It’s a fork in design philosophy. Only one path actually leads forward.
Strongly disagree on this. There are as many "one path" as there are humain beings. Being convinced that your point is valid and mine not is OK though, I'm thinking the same.
@JiubLeRepenti, the contradiction isn’t about whether you “asked” for the Grand Psijic Villa to return.
Well, yes, to me it's 100% about it as it makes all the difference in that situation.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »JiubLeRepenti wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »JiubLeRepenti wrote: »How is this not the same?
Very simple:
- I've never asked for it to come back to the Crown Store. It was there, so I bought it
- If the house hadn't returned to the Crown Store, I wouldn’t have complained or made a thread asking for it to come back
- I paid for it, while the people who got it during the event didn’t pay for it
Literally nobody is asking for it to be free. They just want the chance to buy it. Exactly like you did for the Grand Psijic Villa.
Once again, I’ve never asked for it to come back to the Crown Store.
- Grand Psijic Villa is back in the Crown Store? Nice, I'll pay for it
- Grand Psijic Villa isn’t back in the Crown Store? Too bad, I missed it for good, but it’s not a big deal
You're focusing on the fact that I paid for this house, even though it wasn’t something I was begging for. That’s just a minor detail in my whole point.
I just feel like you’re trying to put words in my mouth. If the Grand Psijic Villa hadn’t been available for purchase, I would never have complained about it—just like I previously said that, even though I don’t have the Dragon’s Treasure Trove in my collection, I still think it shouldn’t come back.
@JiubLeRepenti, you keep insisting there’s no contradiction here, but the contradiction isn’t in whether you asked for the Villa to return—it’s in the principle you’re defending. You say exclusivity is good, and that items like the Dragon’s Treasure Trove “shouldn’t come back,” because the people who were there “earned” them. Yet when the Villa did come back, you bought it without hesitation and without concern that doing so might diminish anyone else’s achievement. You didn’t decline on principle. You participated.
That’s the point.
Sorry, but I still don't see any contradiction here.
There's a big difference for me between explicitly asking or lobbying for an item to return—regardless of what the people who originally got it during an exclusive period may think—versus simply obtaining the item you wanted but missed when it becomes available again.And that’s not a 6 or a 9. It’s a fork in design philosophy. Only one path actually leads forward.
Strongly disagree on this. There are as many "one path" as there are humain beings. Being convinced that your point is valid and mine not is OK though, I'm thinking the same.
@JiubLeRepenti, the contradiction isn’t about whether you “asked” for the Grand Psijic Villa to return.
Well, yes, to me it's 100% about it as it makes all the difference in that situation.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »It means that you got the same result by buying it for 10 tickets as people who spent dozens of hours in-game farming dolmens. Does that sound fair to you? And I'm not talking about your personal satisfaction here, but about the principle.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »This is why I was pissed ... It just ruins the satisfaction of having looted them during the event imo.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »Sorry, but I still don't see any contradiction here.
There's a big difference for me between explicitly asking or lobbying for an item to return—regardless of what the people who originally got it during an exclusive period may think—versus simply obtaining the item you wanted but missed
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »100% agree with this. And I don’t have this furnishing neither.
It’s good to have some exclusive content you can’t get later. This is how you motivate people to participate to events or to play the game often and check free rewards/gifts.
This is why I was pissed to see you could buy 10th anniversary style pages that were so hard to get, for 10 event tickets a few months ago. It just ruins the satisfaction of having looted them during the event imo.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »Sometimes, games don't give players exactly what they want, and I think that's a very good thing.
I missed the Summerset event with the Grand Psijic Villa. And that's fine. It really is. It was my own fault for not being there in time to take part in the event and get it, even though I really wanted it.
I wanted it so badly that I even bought it later.
I'd like to see old ESO+ exclusive Statuettes and Paintings to return some day, or offer them from Philius Dormier (like the Ascendant Lord statuette was available from him during the Legacy of the Bretons Celebration).
tomofhyrule wrote: »So yeah, I’m missing a whole set because I’m an idiot lol
AllenaNightWood wrote: »i disagree becasue it takes away from the value of it being earned
AllenaNightWood wrote: »i disagree becasue it takes away from the value of it being earned
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »While this is an item that I'm very envious over and wish I had, I'd rather it doesn't make a reappearance. Requests like this post come around every few months or so.
And I'm very happy for those who have it and hope their precious claim piece of the game is never watered down or diminished by a re-release.
100% agree with this. And I don’t have this furnishing neither.
It’s good to have some exclusive content you can’t get later. This is how you motivate people to participate to events or to play the game often and check free rewards/gifts.
This is why I was pissed to see you could buy 10th anniversary style pages that were so hard to get, for 10 event tickets a few months ago. It just ruins the satisfaction of having looted them during the event imo.
Small digression, but this is also why I love games like Baldur’s Gate 3, which doesn’t care about fulfilling every player’s wish, but force him/her to make choices and sacrifices instead. Frustration can be very positive in video games.
Hi All, just wanted to follow up here. The team is aware and thanks you for the feedback. What other promotional / Event collectibles would you like to see return? We can pass a list on to the team.
AllenaNightWood wrote: »i disagree becasue it takes away from the value of it being earned
Hi All, just wanted to follow up here. The team is aware and thanks you for the feedback. What other promotional / Event collectibles would you like to see return? We can pass a list on to the team.
DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »While this is an item that I'm very envious over and wish I had, I'd rather it doesn't make a reappearance. Requests like this post come around every few months or so.
And I'm very happy for those who have it and hope their precious claim piece of the game is never watered down or diminished by a re-release.
I am unclear on why rereleasing this would somehow cheapen or “diminish” other players having this furnishing—a purely cosmetic item.
The item obviously holds some intrinsic value. Otherwise threads like this wouldn't keep popping up asking for it to be made available to more players. If more players get it, that value is diminished.
the value is that it's an item that exists that we can't have because we didn't have Elsweyr in late 2019 and were able to log in for a minute to claim the event rewards?
people want it because it looks nice.
Rhe The collectibles from Blackwood and High isle's event reward bundles returned during their recent events,
Dragon's Treasure Trove is also a collectible,
and the Elsweyr event is due for a return as it's been 2 years.
There is no reason to not have it available to purchase from the impressario in some way be it from Grab Bags or directly with event tickets, when the Elsweyr event returns next.
The same goes for the Jade-Crown Dragonslayer helmet and shoulder styles.
So what if it was acquired simply by being in the right place at the right time? What's wrong with that? Let those that were there at the right time enjoy knowing they have an rare/exclusive item without envy and jealousy trying to take it away from them.
MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »
I was there. I have the trove. I don’t derive enjoyment knowing I have something someone else wants but can’t have. I’m the opposite. If it would bring more people joy to have more access to the furnishing, then the furnishing should be accessible. We are playing a video game. Their purpose is to bring joy.
JiubLeRepenti wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »JiubLeRepenti wrote: »Small digression, but this is also why I love games like Baldur’s Gate 3, which doesn’t care about fulfilling every player’s wish, but force him/her to make choices and sacrifices instead. Frustration can be very positive in video games.
Remind me: what time-gated FOMO event item drop could you get in BG3 that is no longer available?
That's why I said I was making a digression. 🙂
Actually, what you're saying wasn't my point at all.
My point was that frustration and its resolution (or lack thereof) are important and beneficial in games.
It can be a good thing in ESO when you obtain an exclusive item that was hard to get (e.g., the 10th anniversary style pages), just as it can be a good thing to say, 'Yup, I missed it. Too bad, at least I tried.'
It can also be a good thing in BG3 when you're faced with deep choices and moral dilemmas that prevent you from getting the best ending for every companion at the end of the game.
Sometimes, games don't give players exactly what they want, and I think that's a very good thing. In my opinion, some games try too hard to satisfy everyone all the time, and that’s how you end up with low-tier titles - in my very own opinion - like DATV, Avowed, Starfield, etc. No choice, no dilemma, no loss. One rule: to give the players everything they want and avoid any frustration".
When I bring up BG3, it doesn’t mean the two games are similar. I'm simply highlighting that both involve situations where frustration plays a role.
I just feel like nowadays, people—especially in ESO—can't handle frustration and accept that they missed something. After every event, every update, there are always people begging for an item, a promotion, or something they missed for a million different reasons.
Another example: I missed the Summerset event with the Grand Psijic Villa. And that's fine. It really is. It was my own fault for not being there in time to take part in the event and get it, even though I really wanted it. I wanted it so badly that I even bought it later. Of course if you couldn't get it for a very good reason (for instance couldn't play because of a natural disaster, a passing, etc.) you should still be able to get it by opening a ticket.JiubLeRepenti wrote: »This is why I was pissed to see you could buy 10th anniversary style pages that were so hard to get, for 10 event tickets a few months ago. It just ruins the satisfaction of having looted them during the event imo.
My satisfaction from the 10th anniversary collectibles comes from actually owning the collectable to use. Not how I got it.
Trueflame looks cool, that's why I wanted it and that's why I got it. Me having fished for it means nothing to me, other than a hoop I was told to jump through for ZOS. I'd rather players don't have to jump through those hoops to get cosmetics we mutually think looks cool. I was glad ZOS made them available for people who didn't get what they wanted.
It means that you got the same result by buying it for 10 tickets as people who spent dozens of hours in-game farming dolmens. Does that sound fair to you? And I'm not talking about your personal satisfaction here, but about the principle.