delete 4v4(and the maps) keep 8v8 and bring back 4v4v4 and its maps

TyrantNikolai · March 19

4v4 is clearly a failed experiment and to call it "competitive" is an insult to what a competitive game mode aught look like. That is all....8v8 has its flaws but for the most part enjoyable just needs to have a better mmr system to balance out the teams better.

AngryNecro · March 19

TyrantNikolai wrote: »

4v4 is clearly a failed experiment and to call it "competitive" is an insult to what a competitive game mode aught look like. That is all....8v8 has its flaws but for the most part enjoyable just needs to have a better mmr system to balance out the teams better.

8x8 It's a stupid swamp. How does anyone play there? Only 4x4. It is better to remove 8x8 if other modes interfere with the players from there.

buddy, you cant play if cant stay if you can't stand behind 8 of your party members?

TyrantNikolai · March 19

@AngryNecro Ill try to decipher what your saying and assume you are saying people hide behind there team mates in 8vs8(not remotely true in a solo que) so we should delete cyrodiil(your logic) then because players hide behind 30 players or more. It sure beats getting matched up with 16k health players in a 4vs4 where you have absolutely no chance of a fair so called "competitive" game play. 8vs8 maps are big enough for nightblades to play solo bomb(vd op) and counter the "ball" mentality. So you are wrong statistics do not lie 90% of the 4vs4 are 1 sided either one team stomps or the other. Like I said 8vs8s have its flaws but nowhere as bad designed as 4vs4. A minimum effort would be to redesign 4v4 maps and/or minimize the deserter penalty to 2 minutes.

AngryNecro · March 19

TyrantNikolai wrote: »

@AngryNecro Ill try to decipher what your saying and assume you are saying people hide behind there team mates in 8vs8(not remotely true in a solo que) so we should delete cyrodiil(your logic) then because players hide behind 30 players or more. It sure beats getting matched up with 16k health players in a 4vs4 where you have absolutely no chance of a fair so called "competitive" game play. 8vs8 maps are big enough for nightblades to play solo bomb(vd op) and counter the "ball" mentality. So you are wrong statistics do not lie 90% of the 4vs4 are 1 sided either one team stomps or the other.

And where did you get such statistics? At your minimum mmr? You obviously haven't played with strong 4x4 teams and haven't won many matches, otherwise you wouldn't have seen players with 16k hp for a long time. If you're worried about this problem, it means you've either only played a couple of 4x4 matches or you can't raise your mmr. Crying from the lower league that 4x4 should be removed is somehow not constructive. 4x4 is the best mod at the moment for a fair and competitive fight.

Matches played by players from the top 100 most often end in time rather than points. What kind of one-side matches are you talking about? Maybe first you need to get into the top 100 at least once before asking to remove any mode?

xylena_lazarow · March 19

AngryNecro wrote: »

8x8 It's a stupid swamp. How does anyone play there? Only 4x4. It is better to remove 8x8 if other modes interfere with the players from there.

Hey did you ever resolve that whole blackmail thing? I was worried about you.

Oh and 8v8 solo is the only reason I still log into this game.

xylena_lazarow · March 19

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Okay you got me, I'm bad. Since you're good, can you explain to me your build choices?

AngryNecro · March 19

For why? I don't see any constructive discussions from you on the forum.

but ok

usualy i play on that https://eso-hub.com/ru/builds/jhon777doe/9db7334b-94c8-4383-a602-e3441422d95e/krampus/krampus-roa from main manna.

1. i play from 2 panel combo bild. RoA is goodnes for that. but it can be change for example on Plaguebreak or some other se what can realase 2 panel attak. whean RoA changet i change ulfsilda on https://eso-hub.com/en/scribing-simulator?combination=217462,14,25,57,5&utm_medium=website&utm_source=esohubcom&utm_campaign=share_button and stay with same control and some time with more damage.

I think you need know only about RoA and other think in bild not intresting for you.

xylena_lazarow · March 19

AngryNecro wrote: »

For why? I don't see any constructive discussions from you on the forum. but ok I think you need know only about RoA and other think in bild not intresting for you.

Thanks for being constructive. I'm actually very interested in the Bloodrinker choice. I'm also quite interested why you choose Plague over Vicious Death, and the most interested in why you choose Rushing Agony over Dark Convergence, as the only threatening Necros I've ever fought against in BGs have been DarkCon Colossus bombers. Rushing Agony on a Cro seems like a square peg in a round hole, no more than an annoyance, not the huge threat that RoA Blade is.

AngryNecro · March 19

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

AngryNecro wrote: »

For why? I don't see any constructive discussions from you on the forum. but ok I think you need know only about RoA and other think in bild not intresting for you.

Thanks for being constructive. I'm actually very interested in the Bloodrinker choice. I'm also quite interested why you choose Plague over Vicious Death, and the most interested in why you choose Rushing Agony over Dark Convergence, as the only threatening Necros I've ever fought against in BGs have been DarkCon Colossus bombers. Rushing Agony on a Cro seems like a square peg in a round hole, no more than an annoyance, not the huge threat that RoA Blade is.

Bloodrinker or frosbite its damage buff set what need explaine in that?
Plague or Vicious Death? you can understant what 2 panel combo is?
"only threatening Necros I've ever fought against in BGs" on whats BGs?) 8x8 noobe sandbox?) well at now when RoA not farmed on new acc i play with DC. RoA on NB and Necr not realy defrent in gamplay.

xylena_lazarow · March 19

AngryNecro wrote: »

Bloodrinker or frosbite its damage buff set what need explaine in that?
Plague or Vicious Death? you can understant what 2 panel combo is?
RoA on NB and Necr not realy defrent in gamplay.

Yeah you do need to explain what Bloodrinker or Frostbite are actually buffing, because this has me extremely confused. No I do not understand what 2 panel combo means in the context of Plague vs Vd, these are both single bar/panel sets. RoA versus DarkCon have similar effects but extremely different activation conditions, so they play different. DarkCon is activated on Necro's single best offensive skill, while RoA demands Necro use a slow weak generic to activate.

AngryNecro · March 19

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Yeah you do need to explain what Bloodrinker or Frostbite are actually buffing, because this has me extremely confused. No I do not understand what 2 panel combo means in the context of Plague vs Vd, these are both single bar/panel sets. RoA versus DarkCon have similar effects but extremely different activation conditions, so they play different. DarkCon is activated on Necro's single best offensive skill, while RoA demands Necro use a slow weak generic to activate.

You sereosley or that some kind of awkward trolling xD You can read what set buffing in info about set)

2 panel combo that is when you start attak from 2d panel use 2 skill and then swap on 1th panel and keep going with it. VD not work in that case. The difference in activation is not important at all. I can write you a bunch of different combinations of sets for similar gameplay and they will all be played approximately alone. You think that everything depends only on the build. no.

TyrantNikolai · March 19

AngryNecro wrote: »

TyrantNikolai wrote: »

@AngryNecro Ill try to decipher what your saying and assume you are saying people hide behind there team mates in 8vs8(not remotely true in a solo que) so we should delete cyrodiil(your logic) then because players hide behind 30 players or more. It sure beats getting matched up with 16k health players in a 4vs4 where you have absolutely no chance of a fair so called "competitive" game play. 8vs8 maps are big enough for nightblades to play solo bomb(vd op) and counter the "ball" mentality. So you are wrong statistics do not lie 90% of the 4vs4 are 1 sided either one team stomps or the other.

And where did you get such statistics? At your minimum mmr? You obviously haven't played with strong 4x4 teams and haven't won many matches, otherwise you wouldn't have seen players with 16k hp for a long time. If you're worried about this problem, it means you've either only played a couple of 4x4 matches or you can't raise your mmr. Crying from the lower league that 4x4 should be removed is somehow not constructive. 4x4 is the best mod at the moment for a fair and competitive fight.

Matches played by players from the top 100 most often end in time rather than points. What kind of one-side matches are you talking about? Maybe first you need to get into the top 100 at least once before asking to remove any mode?

I get matched in top mmr (MMR is disabled at certain hours because the player population is lacking) and the lucky team who gets the healer wins the match(4v4 and sometimes 8v8). Trying to get that through your thick skull is pointless you just assume I lose my matches therefore its my fault. NO! im simply saying 4v4 are always 1 sided even if im winning most my bg matches anyways thats not the issue or the point of the post. I am simply stating the obvious that 4v4 is poorly designed but your just too much of a child to discuss what most end game pvp'ers understand.

xylena_lazarow · March 19

AngryNecro wrote: »

The difference in activation is not important at all.

Alright. You lost me here.

Nathanbreakfast · March 21

4x4x4 and 8v8 would be fantastic. 4v4 is extremely bad.