Slowed not stopped — actually stopped though — Lep Seclusa achievement bug maybe?

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salander7
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So, long story short, I'm not sure if the "Slowed not stopped" achievement in the new Lep Seclusa dungeon is buggy, instructions are unclear, or we're not the smartest tools in the shed, because we were looking kind of dumb with our finger and our thumb in the shape of a missing achievement in our forehead.
In any way, @ZOS_Kevin, in case you can add some insight ^^
First, so no one has to look it up, achievement screenshot. It's an individual achievement, not a group one
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Now dear forum reader, Slow Descent is a debuff that you get when you get hit by Orpheon's cone shaped cleave when he light attacks. If I'm correct, you only get this debuff while not blocking. Debuff lasts around 3 seconds per hit, and I guess it drains your resources a bit. I can only guess because of the achievement phrasing, because the resource drain in veteran or hardmode is barely noticeable, maybe a bit more.
Maybe I'm wrong on the way it works, but you'll see how it's not that relevant. However, a couple friends and I are already Slowly Descending into madness.

So far it's pretty straightforward, go Lep Seclusa, and kill Orpheon after having your resources reduced below or equal to 25% in vet While afflicted/Because of by Slow Descent
When one checks the Help section in game, resources are described as magicka, stamina and health. But you can also consider ultimate points as a resource.

Now, we did half a dozen? attempts in two days, and two people got it, out of the five that tried. First, we all tried burning our stam and mag, getting our hp quite low in the process.
The person that got it was as clueless as we were, she swore she had done the same, drain her stam/mag, not paying attention to HP nor ultimate points.

The day after, we went again, 3 people only this time, one new member. The one that hadn't tried the day before got it on the 1st try we did that day.
After a couple more tries, the other 2 group members still didn't get it. And we checked Combat Metrics graph feature, because our brain got smart but our head got dumb. These are two parts of my stats on last try, a regular veteran Orpheon kill waiting at the start of the fight while doing this kind of minigame.
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Slow descent uptime debuff on me is shown on the top of the graph as a purple bar, after being selected on the debuff In section, and all resources can be seen with exact numbers. At this point I had no more than 20% on any of them.
Because the person that got it with us told us she possibly dropped her ult on the previous try, therefore minding ult points as a resource, but not getting her HP below 25%, or not on purpose, I did go again for that in this same try. Again, same format, you can see how I'm under 25% on stam, mag and ult for the 6 seconds of the debuff.
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Now, if anyone that has gotten the achievement, or even tested in PTS can help, we'd appreciate it. Regardless, some clarification from official sources would just be lovely, both if something is not working as intended and on the wording in general, even when it's a "just get good" in a polite tone.
I would also accept an addon that tracks the conditions and tell us "you're good, kill that fella" after we're guaranteed to get the achievement, since we got all achievements but this one (and Champion) in Lep Seclusa. It just feels wrong two trifectas in Exiled Redoubt took us less tries than a plain vet achievement. But I guess all that glitters is gold, only shooting stars break the mold. B)
Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 11, 2025 5:56PM
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  • magnusthorek
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    Can't help your with your problem but...

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  • salander7
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    Bump, just in case, so someone from staff can see it?
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  • kevkj
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    @code65536 Do you happen to know anything?
  • Treeshka
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    That is my result at the fight. But i did not get it. We will try next week Tuesday with health also reduced to %25 and update.
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  • VoxAdActa
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    It sounds to me like the Slow Descent ability has to be the thing and brings you under 25% resources. That's how I read the achievement text. Not that you just have to be under 25%. It's the "being afflicted... and having your resources reduced" part that makes me think that.

    I dunno, maybe you've tried it already, but it seems like since you're saying the debuff is negligible, you might not have thought of it.

    With the caveat being I haven't tried to get that achievement yet, so I'm really just spitballing.
  • salander7
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    VoxAdActa wrote: »
    It sounds to me like the Slow Descent ability has to be the thing and brings you under 25% resources. That's how I read the achievement text. Not that you just have to be under 25%. It's the "being afflicted... and having your resources reduced" part that makes me think that.

    I dunno, maybe you've tried it already, but it seems like since you're saying the debuff is negligible, you might not have thought of it.

    With the caveat being I haven't tried to get that achievement yet, so I'm really just spitballing.
    I guess I may need to start at 25-30%. Blocking can keep stam reco at 30%, but I'm unsure how can I keep steady the mag lvl without burning it w a skill, because my mag recovery amounts for roughly 5% of my max resource, so it's just......
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  • salander7
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    We have an hypothesis after some more tries, and it's that having Twice Struck achievement from first optional boss prevents you from getting Slowed not stopped. Because way too many tries, with filling conditions, not casting anything, we butchered our recoveries, just waiting for debuff to lower it down on its own.

    Can we have any official feedback, @ZOS_Kevin ? We'd appreciate it, got several people on discord DMs telling us similar stuff.
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  • MlRAAK
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    salander7 wrote: »
    We have an hypothesis after some more tries, and it's that having Twice Struck achievement from first optional boss prevents you from getting Slowed not stopped. Because way too many tries, with filling conditions, not casting anything, we butchered our recoveries, just waiting for debuff to lower it down on its own.

    Can we have any official feedback, @ZOS_Kevin ? We'd appreciate it, got several people on discord DMs telling us similar stuff.

    No, thats not the case, today we managed to get it done for 3 players who have previous cleared the Twice Struck achievement.

    All i can say is that there might be an issue with the achievement tracker but if you bring down your magicka, stamina and ultimate to 30-25% and your character is standing in front of the boss to receive the debuff, you should be fine in 1-2 attempts.
  • Djennku
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    Also, you guys made sure the debuff was active when the boss died, right? Sounds like it's short duration might be an issue there.
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  • salander7
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    MlRAAK wrote: »
    No, thats not the case, today we managed to get it done for 3 players who have previous cleared the Twice Struck achievement.
    All i can say is that there might be an issue with the achievement tracker but if you bring down your magicka, stamina and ultimate to 30-25% and your character is standing in front of the boss to receive the debuff, you should be fine in 1-2 attempts.
    You're right on the Twice Struck achievement, I was working with a small sample of people and kind of grasping at straws; but after getting word from more people, you're right here. I was getting misled by the fact that it was the case for the two people that got it with us and also that Twice Struck doesn't show as completed on the full title achievement until you get Slowed not stopped.
    I got achievement today, and ultimate did not count, dropped my stam and mag really low, but I was over 400 ult points.

    For anyone still needing this:
    As @Djennku mentioned here, it's needed to actually be under the effects of the debuff WHEN the boss dies while having under 25% stam and mag for achievement to trigger. Debuff is really short, taking roughly 3 seconds

    Our guess from people in our group from the achievement text was that achievement checked for the event of being debuffed+dropped below 25% at the same time and the boss dying later, but as a couple people told me in DMs in discord, they got it by just stopping damage when boss had 500k or so, burning resources previously, getting hit for debuff, and finishing boss before debuff run out.

    It's a tricky situation because boss may move from one side to the other, having a huge tendency to do the Forbidden knowledge mechanic (the runeblade throwing), and that can ruin the debuff refresh timing. A way to avoid this is to keep Orpheon inside the safezone for the players, not in the green zone that damages players when standing there.

    This was how my CMX looked afterwards. Boss died at 4:45 before debuff ran out, fight seems to be longer for no reason.
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    Adding some clearer phrasing would possibly be better for future players attempting it, @ZOS_Kevin (last ping, I promise).
    Edited by salander7 on March 17, 2025 3:34AM
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  • MlRAAK
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    Djennku wrote: »
    Also, you guys made sure the debuff was active when the boss died, right? Sounds like it's short duration might be an issue there.

    Yes, we made sure to have our resources low and the debuff active the moment the boss dies
  • MlRAAK
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    okay so in order to achieve this achievement:

    damage boss till 5-2% health, get your resources (magicka/stamina) below 25% and make sure to get the debuff from the boss his LA by standing in front of him, then kill the boss while in the meantime receiving the debuff.

    note: only do this when you just freshly arrived at one of the sides in execute, so you constantly receive the debuff from his LA because otherwise you risk the chance of the boss casting something else and then you end up killing the boss without having the debuff active.
  • Treuce
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    No debuff as boss dies and got the achievement. Had the same happen with someone else the other day.. The achievement wording could be interpreted as having the debuff once and not necessarily having it when the boss dies.
  • MyNameIsElias
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    @ZOS_Kevin Please let us know, this seems like a very buggy achievement :(
  • ZOS_Kevin
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    The team is looking into this achievement as well. We will make sure to flag this thread for them again.
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  • ISkylanderI
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    While you are at it, please fix the German translation.
    If I translate the German Achievement back to English, it says, "... afflicted by slow descent and having your resources reduced BY 25% or less."
    So basically if you have 100% resources and you reduce your resources by just 1% to 99%, you would qualify for the achievement, which is obviously completely wrong.
    You need to replace the word "um" with "auf"
  • MyNameIsElias
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    Just had another dungeon run where we attempted this achievement again and we got nothing :(

    Hope for some clarification soon <3
  • lonewolf26
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    We too are confused about this achievement. On five separate runs we've met the criteria stated in the achievement only for this not to be awarded. A clarification is much appreciated.
  • Vajax
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    This achievement is frustrating us too. Two of us purposely afflicted ourselves with Slow Descent multiple times throughout the battle including when the boss died and both had our resources reduced to below 25% by the debuff and also had almost 0% resources when afflicted by the debuff. It didn't trigger the achievement. However our other teammate got the achievement despite the battle finishing with him having above 25% resources for health, magicka, stamina, and ultimate, and not being afflicted by Slow Descent when the boss died.
  • Treuce
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    Our latest theory is: Whoever deals the killing blow to the boss has the chance to get the achievement.
    I myself got it while under 25% resources as it died, but was only affected by the slow descent debuff earlier in the fight, while above 25% resources.
  • MyNameIsElias
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    @ZOS_Kevin any word on this achievement yet? :open_mouth:
  • patricknl76
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    Only 1 person per run can get it . That person has to actually kill the boss . So bring the the boss back 100-50K health . Bring your mag and stam under 25%. Wait till the boss is on either side of the room and stand in in front of the boss. Wait till the boss doe the conal light attack to get the debuff, while making sure your mag and stam stay under 25%, and kill the boss.
    Thats how it works.
    So only the person that gives the final hit can get the achievement , as long as he has mag and stam under 25% and has the debuff at the same time .
  • Faint_One
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    not got the achieve as I meet its requirements,but another member got it but not got debuff and not down resource under 25%,quite buggy
  • ZOS_Icy
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    Greetings,

    This thread has been moved to the Bug Reports section, as it is better suited there.

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