Why will hardcoding 10% mit change anything?

BejaProphet · February 8

I’m very familiar with how mitigation numbers work in ESO. I calculate impacts to the decimal when theory crafting my tank. So don’t try to restate the basics plz.

What I do not know is why hardcoding the base 10% mitigation would change anything. The things I read almost indicate that it will now be additive with some things rather than multiplicative. But there is no obvious reason for that. Why wouldn’t it just mathematically continue as normal?

How will the actual math for my tank change specifically?

Thanks.

BejaProphet · March 11

So being placed in the hard coding means it won’t round?

I get the concept of what the rounding is doing. Am I to understand that the hard coding only had one single round after everything in that category gets multiplied?

Sparkrip · March 11

zos is moving it out of that category and making the mitigation a flat percentage yes. no more rounding just the real percentage dmg decrease.

fred4 · February 8

Well, if ZOS saw a reason to be meticulous about it, they could probably retain an existing mitigation formula exactly the same despite changing the implementation, e.g. despite hard-coding some part of it. I'm not actually aware of what change you speak of, but I can only guess that ZOS did not see such a reason. When they change a formula with the intention to keep the outcome the same, or the same for some cases, they frequently only try to approximate the previous outcome. I guess that players have experimentally uncovered a change due to this.

Sparkrip · March 10

Well since its launch now I guess its not that late to answer but, yea sorry for the late reply. Basically right now zos has a section that is technically multiplicative but rounds after every operation. Before U45 the 10% base game would be in that section. After U45 it basically became its own thing and doesn't interact with any of the other parts of mitigation. Which leads to the other sources of mitigation being more effective slightly since they don't have that 10% in there making them slightly worse.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZDnmtfHZ_xudB5MJovryVMOovwn_Vtz-Pe550rxpygI/edit?gid=532321239#gid=532321239

I've updated the spreadsheet to u45 if you want to play with mitigation.

Sparkrip · March 10

this is what it was before and you see even with nothing selected the section was already at 0.9.

now with u45 that line is gone

BejaProphet · March 11

It does not make sense. I’m sorry.

If I understand you….

You said it has moved from being multiplicative at one point, to being multiplicative at another point.

That shouldn’t change anything in the end. If you have a giant list of things being multiplied, the order is irrelevant.

It’s called the commutative law.

I either misunderstood you or there is something else in play. Or it won’t actually matter.

Sparkrip · March 11

it has to do with the rounding, because of the rounding in that section you aren't getting the full values of anything in there. Best explanation I can give you is open the spreadsheet and try and understand the formulas for the mitigation. What you're thinking of is exactly how the multiplication section works.

however as you can see that is not regular multiplication. you can see the rounding after every operation. That rounding is what changes things. Since its round down in terms of the effectiveness of the mitigation you will see a loss the more stuff you end up putting in that section. Hyperoxies did a video on how that works if you're interested. The second video to be specific. a quick example would be if I did minor aegis with necros disdain harm passive. which is 0.95 times 0.85, you get 0.8075 as an answer however in that section is rounded down to 0.81. Yes that's a round up mathematically speaking you get less mitigation so I'm going to call it round down. you essentially loose mitigation this way, the problem is even worse because its after every operation rather than at the end. The 10% mitigation to all characters was in this section before, so it would interact with the other mitigation sources and make them slightly worse because of the extra rounding. If you still don't understand how this would affect mitigation I can only say open the spreadsheet and look at the formulas for it and try to understand them.

BejaProphet · March 12

Ok. Now that is a difference! Thank you for enduring my questions.

However that is not going to be much different at all.

Thank you.

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