Need to limit F2P from joining GH

darvaria · February 24

This big influx of players for MYM is from people logging on to little used F2P accounts. I've noticed lots of players that do not have the eso plus buff just standing around bases ... doing nothing. I've also noted that the trolling and hammer turn overs that I have personally viewed are all F2P accounts. You have got to realize how many players have left the game and some have even turned over their accounts. With players able to log in on VPN's, there is no way to control any type of cheating. There is one player that just stands in base annnouncing where enemy FC's are.

You should NOT let these F2P players take up spaces that have been paid for. Make GH an ESO Plus perk only. If not, you are just going to see more and more ESP subs leave the game. If you limit F2P players from joining GH, a lot of the performance issues will disappear. I'm no willing to pay for sub unless something is done. And limited GH access to ESO Plus only members would solve many problems.

StaticWave · February 24

I'm a PvP veteran and I've stopped subbing for half a year because I do not support the direction ZOS is going. I still find the game fun when played casually, but I'm not giving them anymore money unless they improve PvP. I'm sure there are many others like me. Limiting GH access to ESO Plus would be the final nail in the coffin for people like me lol.

WaywardArgonian · February 24

ESO is not F2P.

Just_Attivi · February 24

Havent been subbed for almost a year due to pitiful performance, but been a regular pvp'er for a few years in GH. Pretty sure if ZOS put PVP behind a ESO sub, they may as well just remove PVP altogether and put houses all over cyro for people to decorate.

I agree its frustrating how many people utilize alt accounts to benefit their main faction/troll others, and I do wish there were some tools beyond reports that get ignored to help maintain some degree of competitive integrity. but at this stage of ESO and how PVP is generally handled, I wouldn't hold my breath. IMO the best choice was to stop caring about the big picture and just look for fights/sieges I want and have fun. Score will be ruined by Pop lock V 1 bar zergs anyway.

Ph1p · February 24

First, not subbing isn't the same as F2P - I'm not a subscriber, but considering the money I've spent on chapters and ESO+ in the past, playing ESO is definitely not free for me. Second, I don't see how this would really solve the problems OP is describing. However, putting even parts of PVP behind a paywall would definitely...

Decrease the influx of new PVP players even further
Get non-subbing players to quit the game
Effectively increase the price of playing ESO
Create resentment and another artificial divide among ESO players
Tank ZOS' reputation

Soarora · February 24

The only F2P players are people who got ESO for free from the Epic Games release and never bought anything. The game is not free. The base game not on sale is 20 USD. The collection is 60. Let alone anyone buying individual DLCs, crowns, had ESO+ but cancelled, etc.

valenwood_vegan · February 24

I mean, sounds like a good way to further reduce the pvp population? I have trouble understanding sometimes if the community wants more people to pvp or not.

I mean I get the complaint, but if people can't play with their friends when they want to they're likely to just head to a different game. Particularly thinking about players who might've taken a break and try to return. Also guildies who want to play together but not all of them sub. Just a couple examples of folks who may not be currently subbing, but aren't "taking up space".

Especially the way the game's been going in the last couple years, a lot of people don't full-time sub anymore.

Soraka · February 24

I understand the presented problem, but I disagree with the proposed solution.

colossalvoids · February 24

The game should go f2p first lol.

darvaria · February 24

If you are not paying for a sub, then it IS F2P. There are many perks in the game for ESO Plus members. And GH should be one of them. NOT for these 100's of trolls that flood MYM while PAYING subscribers wait in queue or just leave.

A monthly subscription is needed. In WOW, you can't reach most of the content with a subscription.

Not saying you can't PVP, but just not in GH without a subscription. This would solve a lot of problems.

When you can hop on a game without a subscription, it is F2P. People that are arguing are just afraid ZOS will see this and recogonize the "cents" of it.

Soarora · February 24

darvaria wrote: »

If you are not paying for a sub, then it IS F2P. There are many perks in the game for ESO Plus members. And GH should be one of them. NOT for these 100's of trolls that flood MYM while PAYING subscribers wait in queue or just leave.

A monthly subscription is needed. In WOW, you can't reach most of the content with a subscription.

Not saying you can't PVP, but just not in GH without a subscription. This would solve a lot of problems.

When you can hop on a game without a subscription, it is F2P. People that are arguing are just afraid ZOS will see this and recogonize the "cents" of it.

It is not, though. F2P -> “Free to Play”. It’s not free to play, its a pay to play game with an optional subscription on top of it. The base game isn’t just a tutorial to push people towards buying the subscription, you don’t need the subscription to buy DLCs, etc. I don’t do Cyrodiil except like once a year, I don’t care if ESO+ has priority to it, but people who don’t have ESO+ by definition are not F2P.

Navaac223 · February 24

darvaria wrote: »

When you can hop on a game without a subscription, it is F2P. People that are arguing are just afraid ZOS will see this and recogonize the "cents" of it.

Whoa, I had never realised steam was so full of free to play games !

And no, we're not afraid that zos will ban us from cyrodiil for not paying for a subscription, simply because we know that zos doesn't read forum suggestions anyways. We're just pointing out the fact that you're trying to tell people who actually play in cyrodiil and care about pvp that they need to leave because you feel like there are too many people for you to enjoy the event

said no one ever · February 24

what does GH stand for?

CrazyKitty · February 24

said no one ever wrote: »

what does GH stand for?

Don't PvP much eh?

GH is the main campaign in Cyrodiil. It stands for Grey Host, the main, faction locked campaign.

said no one ever · February 25

what does GH stand for?

CrazyKitty wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

what does GH stand for?

Don't PvP much eh?

GH is the main campaign in Cyrodiil. It stands for Grey Host, the main, faction locked campaign.

I mean must i be bothered to remember everything? lol.

Ok so i'm guessing if they introduced a campaign for eso+ only it would be pretty bare in there. But hey, why not try it and see if it is a viable solution. What would be the harm in introducing a new campaign? I'd leave the existing ones alone though.

yourhpgod · March 3

cyrodiil isn't F2P everyone has to buy the base game unless there some free trial going on

Alchimiste1 · March 3

darvaria wrote: »

If you are not paying for a sub, then it IS F2P. There are many perks in the game for ESO Plus members. And GH should be one of them. NOT for these 100's of trolls that flood MYM while PAYING subscribers wait in queue or just leave.

A monthly subscription is needed. In WOW, you can't reach most of the content with a subscription.

Not saying you can't PVP, but just not in GH without a subscription. This would solve a lot of problems.

When you can hop on a game without a subscription, it is F2P. People that are arguing are just afraid ZOS will see this and recognize the "cents" of it.

I really don't think that solves anything. You'd just be taking away a base game feature for no reason. Most of the people I know go through long periods where they aren't subbed. Also, most people I know don't care two peanuts about which alliance is wining the campaign. The proposed change affects like 1% of the population on 2 events on the year.

Xarc · March 3

Soarora wrote: »

The only F2P players are people who got ESO for free from the Epic Games release and never bought anything. The game is not free. The base game not on sale is 20 USD. The collection is 60. Let alone anyone buying individual DLCs, crowns, had ESO+ but cancelled, etc.

ESO base game is 5.61€ on instantgaming ($5.83)

xylena_lazarow · March 3

StaticWave wrote: »

Limiting GH access to ESO Plus would be the final nail in the coffin for people like me lol.

For real, there are too many artificial barriers to this PvP already, don't need a financial one too.

Iriidius · March 3

Even if you not have ESO+ you still have to buy the game (except you got it free from epic) so it is B2P (Buy to play) not F2P.

ESO+ players can stand around bases doing nothing as much as nonsubscribers and many do.
Many nothingdoer are probably afk and you do pay the same for eso+ no matter how much you play so you do not pay extra for standing afk with eso+.
They are probably less willing to risk their account but also can troll and turn over hammer which you usually not get banned for.

Many PvEer coming in for event tickets do also have ESO+ and many PvPer do not.
How can you even see which players have eso+ and which have not?

GH will empty with all nonsubscribers banned from it and blackreach or ravenwatch will become maincampaign.

TechMaybeHic · March 3

I havent subbed most of the time for the past couple years.

I think what they should do, with Whitestrakes being near the end of the month, is lock existing campaigns from any new accounts that have not reached tier 3 with one character at least when it launches. Or something like that. Maybe it can take regular appearance into account.

sans-culottes · March 3

Sorry, but I am not in favor of this suggestion.

darvaria · March 7

I got this idea from asking this well known troll from another faction why he was always trolling. Several people called him out. He is so recognized that if I posted his name here, I would get echo's of LOL.

He said, "well I have the accounts and I just log in from my lap top and stay logged in so I can fill up a space. And troll. I use "(not mentioning program) to stay logged in. And I can report camps". Another players stays logged in because the other faction will pay for the hammer. Just a few days ago, a player admitted he got $200k gold for hammer turn over.

Of course, these players on a non sub account. I'll show you another example of why I'm sick of these players taking up spaces.

darvaria · March 8

Oh I waited to post this because I wanted to finish my own investigation first and wanted to be sure they would not be suspicious. And this is just ONE example.

I asked this player to stop stalking me, to not t bag and to not send me any mail. My ignore list was full. SO they managed to get this mail off because as usual I AlWAYS play offline.

You see how scared they are of ZOS doing anything? I told them I was sending screen shots to ZOS. They don't care.

[snip]

I'm tired of NEVER going online in game. NEVER going to a discord. And of course NEVER going to SKYPE (whatever you do, do NOT SKYPE with these stalkers unless you have professional knowledge on how to lure and capture them undetected).

ZOS: you really need to clean up the player base and the stalking in this game. We should have ONE button to push that removes them. I don't have time to screenshot and send messages back and forth. IF someone sends any contact to another player, that player should have the option of IMMEDIATE reporting and IMMEDIATE ban of the offender. Of course they will just hop on a vpn and start over. Seriously, consider KNOWING exactly who you have in this game.

[edited for trolling & personal information]

darvaria · March 8

I suppose you do not find the above mail to be a form of sexual harassment? I have seen quite a few other players in this game complain about harassment, bullying and YES, sexual harassment.

CLEAN up this game.

To eliminate this kind of stalking in PVP, start with only allowing players with subs to go to GH. Also, only players with subs should be allowed to instigate messages or send unsolicited mail in game. With a sub, you have enough that you can verify exactly WHO is in this game. Verified emails and more.

Amottica · March 8

ESO has no F2P players as there is no trial going on right now. Everyone has had to buy into the game, and Zenimax made PvP a base game item. This is a B2P game.

I agree with OP that PvP should have been placed behind a pay wall. It should have had limited playtime for those who did not have ESO+. However, this has nothing to do with the PvP events.

Edit: I just read some of the follow-up, and this is not really about the game being B2P (since it is clearly not F2P) but about something very different. When we experience harassment, we have the tool to report it. That is the means we have to inform Zenimax about inappropriate behavior. If we choose not to report it, then that is our choice, but we should never have the ability actually to ban the player. That should always be an action reserved for Zenimax since it is so ripe for abuse.

darvaria · March 8

Yes but it is too much trouble to screen shot and report. IF these players without ESO plus were NOT in GH, we wouldn't have this problem. AND IF these players without ESO plus were NOT able to send tells and mails UNLESS they are are on a person's friend list, we would NOT have these problems. OR allow players to block mail from anyone not on their friend list.

I have been stalked so much in this game, I routinely go through my friend list and remove anyone I'm not sure still has their account. And I may accept new friends but delete them almost immediately.

AND increase ignore list to 1000.

darvaria · March 8

ok just like right now. Supposively we can report players for t bagging when we ask them not to. I just reported the SAME player for this for the 3rd time. NOTHING ever happens to them.

Amottica · March 8

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darvaria wrote: »

ok just like right now. Supposively we can report players for t bagging when we ask them not to. I just reported the SAME player for this for the 3rd time. NOTHING ever happens to them.

For privacy reasons, they do not report back on their actions. This essentially avoids potential lawsuits and even violates state law, depending on where the person lives.

If they are truly stalking you, then collecting the information that will prove it is happening. Ofc, if it is just a matter of them killing the same player multiple times in Cyrodiil, well, that is PvP. Heck, I have killed a player and had them come back for me multiple times. I do not think they were stalking me. They were just asking to be killed.

Good luck.

sans-culottes · March 8

darvaria wrote: »

Yes but it is too much trouble to screen shot and report. IF these players without ESO plus were NOT in GH, we wouldn't have this problem. AND IF these players without ESO plus were NOT able to send tells and mails UNLESS they are are on a person's friend list, we would NOT have these problems. OR allow players to block mail from anyone not on their friend list.

I have been stalked so much in this game, I routinely go through my friend list and remove anyone I'm not sure still has their account. And I may accept new friends but delete them almost immediately.

AND increase ignore list to 1000.

No offense, but it also sounds like based on your previous post you hunted down their personal details. The idea of hating Cyrodiil behind ESO+ is one that makes very little sense, though, and is a solution in search of a problem. This wouldn’t make people stop from being annoying, etc.

darvaria wrote: »

Oh I waited to post this because I wanted to finish my own investigation first and wanted to be sure they would not be suspicious. And this is just ONE example.

I asked this player to stop stalking me, to not t bag and to not send me any mail. My ignore list was full. SO they managed to get this mail off because as usual I AlWAYS play offline.

You see how scared they are of ZOS doing anything? I told them I was sending screen shots to ZOS. They don't care.

[snip]

I'm tired of NEVER going online in game. NEVER going to a discord. And of course NEVER going to SKYPE (whatever you do, do NOT SKYPE with these stalkers unless you have professional knowledge on how to lure and capture them undetected).

ZOS: you really need to clean up the player base and the stalking in this game. We should have ONE button to push that removes them. I don't have time to screenshot and send messages back and forth. IF someone sends any contact to another player, that player should have the option of IMMEDIATE reporting and IMMEDIATE ban of the offender. Of course they will just hop on a vpn and start over. Seriously, consider KNOWING exactly who you have in this game.

If people are bothering you, then the best solution would be to report the offenders. Gatekeeping access to the game and hunting them down out of the game is not the solution, though.

[edited to remove quote]

Ph1p · March 8

Let me get this straight, OP: A couple of jerks are harassing you and your solution is to punish thousands of innocent bystanders who have done nothing wrong? Just as long as it also hits the actual perpetrators? Wow, am I glad that real-life justice systems don’t operate on such asinine design principles…