Happy Sunday!

I'm enjoying Battlegrounds for the first time, I love the upgrade.

Some folks really love the new format and some really dislike it. Some argue that the population is too low to split. Some don't care and would rather get one good (to them) bg per hour than 4 bad ones. Some want to force everyone to play one way (2 team) because they believe they have insight into the online pvp market and what is best for zos and the future of eso.

I just want my old bgs back. I just want to have fun

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Some folks really love the new format and some really dislike it. Some argue that the population is too low to split. Some don't care and would rather get one good (to them) bg per hour than 4 bad ones. Some want to force everyone to play one way (2 team) because they believe they have insight into the online pvp market and what is best for zos and the future of eso.

I just want my old bgs back. I just want to have fun

I am enjoying the transformation chaosball matches, but other than that I prefer and had more fun with the 3 team format.

Capture the relic is the one mode that suffered the most from these changes. Could use a chaosball treatment for sure, make each team guard two or three relics. Right now its achievements are near impossible and the match is not fun at all.

I did one that we sparred the entire 15min., only for my team to win 100-0 because we got one lucky run in the last 10 seconds. How pissed the other team must've felt, because they were clearly the better team, took ours several times and defended better, but people quit after 10min or so.

Capture the Relic worked far, FAR better in 4v4v4 than in 8v8. Also, a 3-team match is necessary to get the achievement for stealing BOTH enemy relics: when there's only 2 teams, there's only 1 enemy relic, not a "both", so the "Tactician" achievement is impossible.

There's also an achievement for holding "All 4" Capture points in a Domination - most of the 4v4 Domination boards don't even HAVE 4 capture points, so how do you get that achievement?

And also, they're too close together, the zones are too small. 2 team 4 man Crazy King in particular suffers from that: it's just race from one end of the tiny field to another every few seconds. I much preferred the 3 team CKs.

And with 2 teams, you can spawn camp the other team at their start, and *leave capture points unattended* rather than ever defend them. With 3 teams, Team 1 can't spawn camp Team 2 because Team 3 will sneak in behind: your 4 players are playing against 8, so you have to actually play the objectives properly by attacking POINTS, defending POINTS, actually running to POINTS, spotting unattended POINTS to claim them, fighting players off at POINTS because they had the same idea but arrived slightly later. Not spawn camping them, turning the game into deathmatch and ignoring the idea that your players have to be at the POINTS to defend them.

Chaosball seems to have 2 sub-modes - (1) 3 regular Chaosballs: (2) Transformation Chaosball in which 1 is the Werewolf ball, 1 is the Vampire ball, and 1 is the regular Chaosball which scores more than the other 2 put together. I suspect the person talking about "getting a chaosball and not transforming" and thought it was a bug, may have actually got the 3 Regular Chaosball version of the game, or picked up the regular non-transformation chaosball in a Transformation Chaosball game.

As for Deathmatch... When it's Deathmatch in *rounds* and you've got to finish with at least 8 more kills than deaths, that means you've got to score at least 8 of the 12 kills (given an opposition team of 4 each with 3 lives) so you're competing against your own team as well as them. So getting that achievement is now much, much harder than it was.

DigiAngel wrote: »

There no longer is 4x4x4...just 4x4 and 8x8.

Yes and therein lies the problem. That right there is why a lot of us are upset, because instead of just adding content which would have been great (half-baked buggy content at that) they decided to delete content. We have asked and are still asking for them to reinstate 4v4v4 as an option in addition to the new 4v4 and 8v8. I will say this, I used to spend about 2K a year on crowns and have ESO+ as well. That might not be a lot of money to some people but its a lot to me, especially on a video game I bought for 20 bucks. Unless and until they reinstate 4v4v4 I'm done supporting this game thru crown purchases. I'll keep ESO+ till Im done w/it but no more crowns for me. I'm not gonna keep feeding money into a company that deletes the part of the game I was paying to support.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

The 4v4 is not good. One weak beginner on your team, and the match is already over. The deathmatch format rules are utterly bizarre. The variance is too high for competitive, the skill barrier is too high for casual.

The 8v8 solo is a lot of fun though, not perfect, but worth playing. The teams are big enough for a few tryhards to carry a few beginners. There's multiple split objectives so it's not just ball grouping all the time.

This.

BGs do need a lot of changes, especially 4v4... but atleast it's a format that can be built upon for competitive PvP.

Under the previous format, doing any actual PvP would just lose you the battleground as 3rd team runs to undefended relics or flags while you're busy fighting. Not to mention all the otherwise good fights ruined by 3rd party killsteals...

Not even deathmatch was exempt from RNG when it came to winning since it'd very often just be fighting 4v8 - splitting up and doing solo things to carry would essentially be throwing the BG since you'd leave your team fight the 3rd team one player short (3v4) etc - literally just encouraged ball group style "stack together" gameplay, hoping enemy teams would focus each other instead of you as a win con.

For me, it just says a lot that I get ported in only for the BG to not run due to not enough players.... This in the middle of the day during a PvP event while there's a pursuit up that requires BGs.

Edit:
Actually, let's document this as I go:
Attempt #1: 4v4 solo - failed with one person missing
Attempt #2: 8v8 solo - failed with one person missing
Attempt #3: 8v8 solo - finally got in. It was DM and my team got 24 kills (15 of them being mine and 12 being someone else on my team) while theirs got 5. It was so unbalanced that there was zero fun to be found as we picked them off one at a time. I doubt it was fun for the other team either.

In each case queue was really quick, but then 4 mins of my time was wasted standing in the BG map for the first two. If it didn't send us in until there were actually enough people, this would be a lot better. A 1/3 success rate isn't good. (And it's been pretty much the same as this every time I tried the new BGs so far.)

I've been doing a ton of BGs during Mayhem, and I enjoy Chaosball, Crazy King and Domination. Deathmatch is ok. BUT Capture the Relic does not work with two teams, it always ends up with a massive steamroll by the other team, with no way to grab and carry relics! It used to be doable in 4v4v4 but 8v8 the tankier team automatically wins. I haven't won a single Relic game due to getting put up against unkillable players. No idea what my MMR is but somehow Crazy King and Domination nearly always end up being wins.

I do like the addition of always receiving an outfit style page after each won match, this used to be a once a day thing before U44. I've gotten a whole bunch of the new (and old) style pages and that makes me happy!

Jierdanit wrote: »

Ezhh wrote: »

For me, it just says a lot that I get ported in only for the BG to not run due to not enough players.... This in the middle of the day during a PvP event while there's a pursuit up that requires BGs.

Edit:
Actually, let's document this as I go:
Attempt #1: 4v4 solo - failed with one person missing
Attempt #2: 8v8 solo - failed with one person missing

That is most likely because the queues still get bugged sometimes, not because there are actually not enough players queueing.

I have had it lots of times that one of my friends was in a BG waiting for more players, while I was in queue and it still didnt put me in those BGs.

Oh, pretty sure it's this. I've avoided BGs for a while because I was so tired of it, but thought I'd try again for the pursuit. I used to often queue solo while a friend did the same, especially later in the day when it seemed very hard to get into a group queue. We encountered this so many times that we just kind of got fed up and stopped trying.

I just really hoped they'd have improved things before Mayhem. It drives people away from the game.

I do like the new battlegrounds but the old battlegrounds should be here as well, no reason to replace them.

They should bring them back and make it so you need to queue for a "random battleground" to get the daily reward or being able to queue for a specific mode without counting for daily.

The new BGs are heavily unbalanced due to their 2 Team build. Especially Deathmatch gets decided in the first fight and then for 12 minutes 8 people camp on top of Spawn and 8 below. Its stupid. Before there was a third team to mix it up, but thats gone.
Same for Relic Hunt, the first team who takes one relic wins after 15 minutes, as they just camp their own relic with 8 people.