Another suggestion for khajiit customization

SilverBride · February 21

Roscuro127 wrote: »

Gotta love the casual ignorant racial stereotyping throughout this. SilverBride single-handedly fighting off bigotry from every side. And using AI to make your point definitely doesn't help your stance at all.

More customization options for all the races would be nice, but probably not going to happen.

wilykcat wrote: »

Khajiits should get their own set of emotes like cat nip, sit in box, chase tail, etc.

The human races should get their own set of emotes like swing from branch, throw poop, smell arm pit, etc to make them more monkey like.

It's a mental cancer to look at khajiit as just walking talking cats. There's exponentially more to them than their feline appearances. And just about every single person on this post is ignorant to that.

This.

Hollyniss · February 21

@NotaDaedraWorshipper I also hate the Vampire Khajiit in Mathiisen who are mere servants and allow the Altmer to bully them...When they should be plotting to take over by turning the canonreeve and her constituents into thralls in order to gain control of the city (as well as the tunnels below to smuggle humans/mer as cattle for a steady supply of blood) and changing the way things are run (particularly for the Bosmer and Khajiit). No one would question it as they're preoccupied with the war, and they'd keep supplying the Dominion with weapons and armor. I just pretend they're my spies that I sired (for my vampire khajiit) lol. But I digress...

Getting back to OP's topic. I really hope this game adds more customization options and more playable Khajiiti furstocks. I think ALL of the character models could use and update though as they're very dated (really poor textures and too few options). More options, as long as they're lore-friendly, are ALWAYS a good thing. Character Creation/Customization is a rather important feature for many people. I also wish our unlocked adornments and hairstyles would be available in creation...

For further insight on the different Khajiiti Furstocks;
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:All_Our_Perfect_Forms

sans-culottes · February 21

Roscuro127 wrote: »

Gotta love the casual ignorant racial stereotyping throughout this. SilverBride single-handedly fighting off bigotry from every side. And using AI to make your point definitely doesn't help your stance at all.

More customization options for all the races would be nice, but probably not going to happen.

wilykcat wrote: »

Khajiits should get their own set of emotes like cat nip, sit in box, chase tail, etc.

The human races should get their own set of emotes like swing from branch, throw poop, smell arm pit, etc to make them more monkey like.

It's a mental cancer to look at khajiit as just walking talking cats. There's exponentially more to them than their feline appearances. And just about every single person on this post is ignorant to that.

No offense, but I’m not sure the comments about Khajiit characters or whatever rise to the level of “bigotry.” Let’s not forget, this is a fictional race of fictional cat people—not a real, existing group of persons.

While I don’t agree with the OP’s suggestions, this sentiment concerns me because of how strongly worded it is.

PS. It’s too bad that the breed of cat in question, one I love and have been lucky enough to share my home with, has a long-established, accepted name, “Maine ***,” that is nevertheless censored. Yes, there are vile racial connotations as well, but not in this case. Tsk tsk.

spartaxoxo · February 21

Khajiit can do house cat type things and do them sometimes in game. Khajiit have a broad range of personalities and looks.

IDK why not for most of these. Although chasing the tail is probably a bit over the line.

Sheezabeast · February 21

I'm cracking up trying to picture a werewolf khajiit in werewolf form with the big fluffy tail and it snarling and getting distracted by their tail like a dog does but its fluffy because khajiit

Hamfast · February 21

There are (if the lore on UESP.net is correct) 17 Furstocks of the Khajiit race, each Furstock denotes the base shape of that strain of Khajiit.

Of the 17 Furstocks, one is Unique, the Mane, and should not be a player character race (there can be only one, and you are not it)

The other 16 Furstocks are in pairs, a "base" and a "base"-raht, the raht version is different from the "base", they are normally larger.

of the 8 Base Furstocks, 2 are Quadrepeds, (Alfiq and Senche) and are currently only NPC's.

The Pahmer are the "Giant" Furstock, while these should be viable as a PC race, I think the Khajiit would need to have the height increased, as well as the Musculature would need to be increased for the Palmer-raht version.

The Dagi Furstock may require the minimum height to be lower, as they are the shortest of the bipedal Furstocks, but I think still doable.

The rest of the Furstocks should be able to be recreated with the current system, while some walk on their toes, others walk on the soles of their feet, but that can't be chosen at creation, the patterns of the fur can be, thus with some care and study each Furstock is there for you to use

All those Furstocks that players can use are able to wield the standard game weapons and armor... some styles of armor can be used to show the clawed feet and so on... and all, in their own way are fierce and able warriors and mages with a long and storied past...

DreamsUnderStars · February 21

Shorter tails options! Shorter tails and bobtails!

Also Alfiq. Look I dont care what I have to give up to play one. Hide all the armour and give us only hats, make them use only bound armour/weapons... give us speed boots instead of mount riding. Or a flying carpet. I don't mind! I just want to play an alfiq!

Roscuro127 · February 21

sans-culottes wrote: »

No offense, but I’m not sure the comments about Khajiit characters or whatever rise to the level of “bigotry.” Let’s not forget, this is a fictional race of fictional cat people—not a real, existing group of persons.

While I don’t agree with the OP’s suggestions, this sentiment concerns me because of how strongly worded it is.

I'm greatly urked by casual racism and racial stereotyping, regardless if the race is real or not.

Hollyniss · February 22

Roscuro127 wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

No offense, but I’m not sure the comments about Khajiit characters or whatever rise to the level of “bigotry.” Let’s not forget, this is a fictional race of fictional cat people—not a real, existing group of persons.

While I don’t agree with the OP’s suggestions, this sentiment concerns me because of how strongly worded it is.

I'm greatly urked by casual racism and racial stereotyping, regardless if the race is real or not.

This might be peoples first Elder Scrolls game, that would make sense (given how this game chooses to portray them). They're also not consistently portrayed in general or viewed in a good light, such as Morrowind and Skyrim. Most are portrayed as thieves, bandits, and Skooma dealers. Then you have the original 'The Real Barenziah.' And obviously THIS game...I've done the whole of Elsweyr as I was excited to FINALLY see the Khajiiti homeland and was hoping they'd be done justice for once...they weren't. I was sorely disappointed. It was even worse than base-game's portrayal. The devs even based some of the Khajiit npcs on their own cats, stupid stereotypical dialogue from MOST Khajiit, ect. So, in all honesty the blame should be placed squarely on the devs for their 'inaccurate' portrayal. Khajiit and Argonians have some of the COOLEST lore that is sadly squandered in favor of creating one-dimensional characters. For the sake of modernized views or 'humor.' Immature 'comic relief.' They dumbed down most if not all of the races...sadly it's because it IS an mmorpg so they don't have the time, patience, or resources (I could be wrong though) to write compelling characters and stories on the same level as a solo rpg as there's so much going on in this game. So, sadly compelling storytelling is what often gets sacrificed in favor of everything else.

Also, keep in mind Elder Scrolls lore in general is NOT the easiest to follow and they often break their own canon/rules...They've changed and retconned A LOT over the years.

rootkitronin · February 22

Roscuro127 wrote: »

Gotta love the casual ignorant racial stereotyping throughout this. SilverBride single-handedly fighting off bigotry from every side. And using AI to make your point definitely doesn't help your stance at all.

More customization options for all the races would be nice, but probably not going to happen.

wilykcat wrote: »

Khajiits should get their own set of emotes like cat nip, sit in box, chase tail, etc.

The human races should get their own set of emotes like swing from branch, throw poop, smell arm pit, etc to make them more monkey like.

It's a mental cancer to look at khajiit as just walking talking cats. There's exponentially more to them than their feline appearances. And just about every single person on this post is ignorant to that.

Very true - they are strong hard workers, and can do a variety of simple tasks.

This is part of the reason they so popular with Dunmeri houses, they bring a lot of utility and are much easier to keep than Argonians (as anyone who's owned a pet lizard before can probably attest to).

Beyond that, their fur is also highly prized - their luxurious pelts easily sell for three times the prices of other furs!

Although these are probably the best examples, I'm sure there's lot more that these cats have to offer the people of Tamriel.

Personally, I'm excited to see how their lore continues to expand! Perhaps we might see some exotic culinary infusions down the road?

katanagirl1 · February 22

I would like for any new Khajiit options to be Elder Scrolls lore friendly, not looks from another game or other media.

SilverBride · February 22

sans-culottes wrote: »

Let’s not forget, this is a fictional race of fictional cat people—not a real, existing group of persons.

Those that play Khajiit characters are a real, existing group of persons. They deserve to not have their chosen race made a mockery of by assigning it simple house cat characteristics. They have every right to continue to be portrayed as the strong and powerful race that they are.

spartaxoxo · February 22

I don't think there's anything wrong with having different cosmetics to suit different people's personal tastes. I don't think any group's view of the khajiit or any other class should prevent them from adding any fun cosmetics. There's always been characters that are somewhat goofy like M'aiq the Liar and also serious like Khamira. One doesn't negate the other. One player's goofy khajiit does not reflect poorly on all khajiit. One goofy cosmetic cannot make an entire race of character goofy.

I don't particularly want to see them chasing their tails because it reminds me of real house cats too much. It would feel a bit immersion breaking. So, for that reason I don't particularly want that suggestion.

But the whole "fictional racism" argument doesn't hold much water to me. Khajiit should be able to have a full spectrum of personality types and quirks. Portraying a race of characters as monocultural and similar in personality would be an example of fictional racism to me moreso than a lazy cat joke.

wilykcat · February 22

Most of my characters are khajiits and each one has different personalities and looks like real cats. Not all khajiits have to be ferocious and savage, some are or can be cute and friendly.

SilverBride · February 22

I have never seen Khajiit portrayed as ferocious and savage.

spartaxoxo · February 22

Darloc Brae - ferocious warlord, although quite learned

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Darloc_Brae

There's also the savage khajiit you have to hunt in predator mesa because they're hunting people

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Hunting_the_Hunters

On the flip side of this, here's a Khajiit that does cute cat things to try court a dark elf trader

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Irrki

sans-culottes · February 22

SilverBride wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

Let’s not forget, this is a fictional race of fictional cat people—not a real, existing group of persons.

Those that play Khajiit characters are a real, existing group of persons. They deserve to not have their chosen race made a mockery of by assigning it simple house cat characteristics. They have every right to continue to be portrayed as the strong and powerful race that they are.

It’s not making a mockery of them to point out that fictional races are fictional. It’s not a racist stereotype to call high elves snooty. The reason? Because the fictional beings are not real. While you might feel an affinity for a fictional race, their portrayal is not only not racially insensitive to Khajiit—a fictional race—but the “cat” jokes are baked into the base game. And other games in this series. To wit: A fictional “race” of cat people needs to be treated as a fictional construct, which is what it is.

SilverBride · February 22

Quest NPC Khajiit are not the same as the playable race, which is what the OP is suggesting to change. Players' Khajiit characters are not known to be ferocious and savage, and can be humorous and friendly depending on how the person plays them.

But they are and should remain a race that can be taken seriously. Having them chase their tails around is contrary to this.

SilverBride · February 22

Every race in this game is fictional. That doesn't mean their identity should be destroyed to turn them from a strong powerful race to silly caricatures.

To clarify, I do not have an affinity to Khajiit and have never played one because I do not identify with furry characters. But that doesn't mean that I think it's right to demean their race.

wilykcat · February 22

@ZOS_Icy
I would like to request for my thread to be locked.

rootkitronin · February 22

SilverBride wrote: »

To clarify, I do not have an affinity to Khajiit and have never played one because I do not identify with furry characters. But that doesn't mean that I think it's right to demean their race.

Then maybe leave the discussion to people who actually have an investment in the fictional race, or you know, actually play them in-game.

Hollyniss · February 22

SilverBride wrote: »

Quest NPC Khajiit are not the same as the playable race, which is what the OP is suggesting to change. Players' Khajiit characters are not known to be ferocious and savage, and can be humorous and friendly depending on how the person plays them.

But they are and should remain a race that can be taken seriously. Having them chase their tails around is contrary to this.

Lol, "players' Khajiit characters are not known to be ferocious and savage?" What? That's how I portray ALL of mine, lol. Especially my Dragonknight. That's not to say I portray them as savage mindless beasts. They just take advantage of their feline instincts and senses. As well as their claws and fangs... A TRUE Khajiit is never unarmed. Mine attack with blade, bow, spell, fang, and claw. They thrive on the HUNT. They're civilized when the situation calls for it. But when provoked or going after someone, it's GAME ON.

Hell, my Khajjit in Skyrim ATE the people she killed (used the ring of Namiira, lol).

It's all in how you CHOOSE to PLAY them as it is ANY character you create in any RPG (ROLE-PLAYING game)...

You don't know anything about the Khajiit race as you've never played them, which begs the question; what are you even doing here?

sans-culottes · February 22

wilykcat wrote: »

@ZOS_Icy
I would like to request for my thread to be locked.

It’s disappointing that we might not be able to engage in a conversation about a topic that is relevant to the players. This is as much about how players perceive/would prefer to have represented characteristics X in the game. Since I don’t see this as harmful and would be mostly playful, I don’t find it offensive in the slightest.

The discussion pertaining to the dignity inherent to portrayal X versus portrayal Y is a not unimportant one. Since some players view this different ways, the ability to parse this in a respectful way would enrich the forums.

SilverBride · February 22

rootkitronin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

To clarify, I do not have an affinity to Khajiit and have never played one because I do not identify with furry characters. But that doesn't mean that I think it's right to demean their race.

Then maybe leave the discussion to people who actually have an investment in the fictional race, or you know, actually play them in-game.

Any discussion on these forums is for all players to give their feedback on whatever is being discussed. I do have an investment in Khajiit because I play along side them. I have friends that play Khajiits, and I have a Khajiit Companion and Khajiit house guests. I don't have to play one to not want to see them be demeaned.

sans-culottes · February 22

SilverBride wrote: »

rootkitronin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

To clarify, I do not have an affinity to Khajiit and have never played one because I do not identify with furry characters. But that doesn't mean that I think it's right to demean their race.

Then maybe leave the discussion to people who actually have an investment in the fictional race, or you know, actually play them in-game.

Any discussion on these forums is for all players to give their feedback on whatever is being discussed. I do have an investment in Khajiit because I play along side them. I have friends that play Khajiits, and I have a Khajiit Companion and Khajiit house guests. I don't have to play one to not want to see them be demeaned.

I think in this case what one might find demeaning might come off as endearing to someone else. This doesn’t invalidate your perspective, though, and if anything demonstrates the value of this discussion.

ZOS_Icy · February 22

Greetings,

We are going to go ahead and close this thread as per the request of the OP.

The Elder Scrolls Online Team