New Class/Weapon?

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 20

Taril wrote: »

The Soul Cairn is the place where the souls of those consumed by Black Soul Gems go. It itself is it's own plane of Oblivion. With the Ideal Masters being once mortals whom ascended to a higher plane of existence (They are described as "disembodied entities living in a distant Platonic idea" suggesting that they reside somewhere outside of Nirn/Atherius). They have a connection to the realm via the unique crystals.

This is inaccurate. Only souls used in bargains with the Ideal Masters go to the Soul Cairn, it's not something that happens to all souls put in black soul gems. Black soul gems existence and use predates deals with the Ideal Masters and plausibly their existence, like they can be mined in Coldharbour. By default so goes souls to the afterlife they are supposed to go to when a soul gem (black or not) is used or destroyed, and mainly go somewhere else if it has been used in deals with beings such as daedra or the masters. Dealing with the Ideal Masters also seem rarer in the second era (time of ESO) than in later ones.

Taril · February 20

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

This is inaccurate. Only souls used in bargains with the Ideal Masters go to the Soul Cairn, it's not something that happens to all souls put in black soul gems.

Except this is what Velerica explicitly states.

Whenever a soul in a Black Soul Gem is used in an enchantment, the remains of the soul goes to the Soul Cairn. With or without a bargain with the Ideal Masters.

This is how she knew of the Soul Cairn's existence enough to be able to open a portal there with the Elder Scroll.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Black soul gems existence and use predates deals with the Ideal Masters and plausibly their existence, like they can be mined in Coldharbour.

Not even close to true.

The Ideal Masters originate in the Metheric Era. Black Soul Gems didn't reach Nirn until Vastarie brought them from Cold Harbor in the Second Era.

Heck, Soul Trapping didn't even exist until the First Era and was subsequently banned until the formation of the Mage's Guild in the Second Era.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

By default so goes souls to the afterlife they are supposed to go to when a soul gem (black or not) is used or destroyed, and mainly go somewhere else if it has been used in deals with beings such as daedra or the masters.

Citation needed.

All sources I find say that when a Soul Gem is consumed, the dregs of the soul go to the Soul Cairn.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Dealing with the Ideal Masters also seem rarer in the second era (time of ESO) than in later ones.

Of the 3 recorded deals I can find, 2 of them occur in the Second Era.

The first deal was with Durnehviir in the Metheric Era.

The second was with some Kothringi after the outbreak of Knahaten Flu in the Black Marsh which is in the Second Era.

The third was with members of the Waking Flame which again was in the Second Era.

Jestir · February 20

I think class wise they would be best redoing certain skills and passives for the current classes before adding anymore, but obviously big new class is a great way to get players into the game

Weapon skills wise I think an alternative Magicka based weapon and some form of an unarmed skill line are seriously overdue

necro_the_crafter · February 20

Taril wrote: »

I've got a Necromancer class re-design sitting around that's based on using Black Soul Gems as a resource mechanic, whereby it functions more akin to Cruxes (Though not quite the same).

Its cool someone else had come up with the idea for black soul gems other than myself. I think that would help gameplaywise, as well as help differentiate PC necromancers from NPC.

SilverIce58 wrote: »

While a Mechanic/Artificer class is wanted, I dont particularly want to see dozens of mini dwarven colossi running around the place. This is not Aion. The dwarven spider mount is one thing bc people dont generally use them much over other mounts, but as a class ult or feature, it would be on full display. Lets think bigger/different shall we?

Oh i got that one. Summon replica of hearth of Lorkhan, like an Acrcanist glyphic ulltimate. If you hit it correct amount of times with the right tools - all player charactaers and npc of your race dissapear from the face of nirn.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 20

Taril wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

This is inaccurate. Only souls used in bargains with the Ideal Masters go to the Soul Cairn, it's not something that happens to all souls put in black soul gems.

Except this is what Velerica explicitly states.

Whenever a soul in a Black Soul Gem is used in an enchantment, the remains of the soul goes to the Soul Cairn. With or without a bargain with the Ideal Masters.

No, Serana says it was a theory her mother had, and a lot of people took that single short sentence at face value, despite a lot of things going against it. Especially in ESO.

Not even close to true.

The Ideal Masters originate in the Metheric Era. Black Soul Gems didn't reach Nirn until Vastarie brought them from Cold Harbor in the Second Era.

Heck, Soul Trapping didn't even exist until the First Era and was subsequently banned until the formation of the Mage's Guild in the Second Era.

You are even saying how they don't come from them. Coldharbour existed before the Ideal Masters came to be and Vasterie took them from there, they are not an invention from the Ideal Masters.

We don't know if it soul trapping existed then since there's barely any information about that time. The earliest mentions is Mannimarco and Vasterie.

So what is your source on it not existing and also somehow was banned until the Mage's Guild? After the second era so will the Mage's Guild and Vanus Galerion work to limit soul trapping, creating the whole white vs black souls categories by changing the soul trap spell and only teach their altered version that can't trap what they considered people.

Citation needed.

All sources I find say that when a Soul Gem is consumed, the dregs of the soul go to the Soul Cairn.

The only source that say that is that single line, which is even stated by the character saying it, to be a theory. That theory also says it's just souls from gems used for enchants, not all souls. We have multiple cases where souls are released when a gem is used or destroyed. Such as The Legend of Vastarie, the fact that Mannimarco soul trapped the Vestige's soul along with others for Molag Bal. There's a couple of quests in ESO where we free soul trapped souls to continue to their afterlife.

The lore regarding souls, soul trappin, soul gems etc is a mess, even contradicting at places, but the theory that all souls go to the Soul Cairn is one of the weakest and least sensible.