Game looks totaly dead

Parasaurolophus · February 15

GF empty completely empty. BG`s queues is 5+ minutes. Queue for Cyro is 8 ppls in Gray Host. I'm scared...
It's amazing how this game loses players in sudden bursts. Just a couple of weeks ago there was still some activity in the gf during prime time... Now even the guild chats are empty. Almost everywhere, from reddit to imageboards, the posting speed has dropped significantly. Regular online steam fell from 18 to 13 thousand.

LadyGP · February 16

The playerbase has been dropping like this for some time now - I think it's just starting to really show.

I'm optomistic that the upcoming changes to Cyro and (assuming they figure out what the cause is) some lag/performance improvements slowly bring people back.

They already said they won't do anything with Cyro until it gets better so fingers crossed these tests work, they make it better, and then start to work on Cyro 2.0 map or something.

Thats a lot to hope for... but I think if they can make that happen in the next 1-2 years then you'll see some players coming back.

I know the PvP community is almost dead and all the regulars from 5+ years are almost gone too.

I'd imagine trial guilds and stuff are kind of the same.

SilverBride · February 16

These threads keep popping up, yet I have not noticed any drop on PCNA.

LadyGP · February 16

SilverBride wrote: »

These threads keep popping up, yet I have not noticed any drop on PCNA.

Have you spent nay time in Grayhost? I'd say "prime time" is now a smaller window than it used to be and anytime out of that smaller window is a ghost town.

SilverBride · February 16

Oh, so this is about PvP.

Orbital78 · February 16

It is vacation time in Tamriel, there hasn't been any new content since Gold Road. I still don't have issues finding groups for dungeons. I only really run trials with guildmates, and I have mostly cut that down to just my core twice a week. Whenever I am online in major hub cities they have a healthy population. If it is PVP specific I wouldn't know, I don't really get down like that anymore, too old for that stuff. The only time I venture into that stuff is casually for Whitestrakes.

moo_2021 · February 16

There are less and less PVEers in BGs. Isn't this expected since two teams make it much harder for people to do objectives without fighting? Meanwhile we have better games in 8vs8.

shezof · February 16

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

VoxAdActa · February 16

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

That's a bold statement to make, seeing as PvPers are a minority of the playerbase. Especially since many of them seem to be dead set on making sure new PvPers have the most difficult, unpleasant experience possible (particularly in the Battlegrounds, where we get yelled at for playing the game as described instead of as a giant death battle).

olsborg · February 16

The only fix to lagg that they can find, is enough players quit the game because of lagg...that the remaining players no longer lagg because there are few enough of them.

wolfie1.0. · February 16

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

You have a point there.. it WAS a key marketing factor. It's not exactly that right now.

It should be but it isn't. And won't be, not until they get things back.

SilverBride · February 16

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

No one is pretending PvP doesn't exist, but it's not the first thing I think of when the subject of the thread is "Game looks totally dead". It would be more clear what was being discussed if the subject was "Cyrodiil (or PvP) looks totally dead". But we can't assume those that don't do a lot of PvP are just going to know.

moo_2021 · February 16

olsborg wrote: »

The only fix to lagg that they can find, is enough players quit the game because of lagg...that the remaining players no longer lagg because there are few enough of them.

Isn't the lag more due to group buffing or healing instead of the numbers?

Seeing zergs - no lag
Zergs fighting zergs - no lag
Seeing ball group running - hard lag

It can happen even in BGs. There used to be noticeable lags whenever one team uses several AoEs to defend an area. People stopped doing it now but the problem is probably still here.

Ardaghion · February 16

I can currently see that Gray Host is full on all alliances. I've been working on low-level toons so I only join Icereach and only see a few people.

That said, there are a lot of brand new PvE players in the starter towns on all alliances. We keep stepping on each other's mobs and bosses when questing. Maybe they will turn to PvP when they level enough.

Unfadingsilence · February 16

I was just online on PC NA and the que was 120 for Gray Host and even earlier a 80 Que for PC EU as well so not sure

HatchetHaro · February 16

I loved the three-team BGs, but the new 4v4 BGs are an absolute slog. I ended up switching my DK to a healer and hard-focused grinding leaderboard score for seven weeks straight to collect all the Galeskirmish Gladiator style pages, and once I was done, I quit BGs all together.

Thanks for ruining a good game mode.

sarahthes · February 16

PC NA raid scene is healthier than it seems. The new hub discord that popped up to replace ESOU has a decent population already for all its only been open to the public for 2-3 weeks.

SeaGtGruff · February 16

Gray Host campaign is currently pop-locked for all 3 factions on PC NA, with a 45-minute estimated wait time to get in.

The Group Finder has a few groups listed, but not many-- although that may simply mean that players aren't using it much at the moment, instead opting to use zone chat for grouping as they used to do.

The game looks populated to me, but that's in hub locations where players normally congregate, and I would have no way to know how many instances there are and how full each instance is.

I don't want to get into real-world topics that don't belong in this forum, but let's just say that there might be reasons why a lot of players could be focused on other things in their lives right now, and not spending as much time as usual playing games.

TheKilamanjaro · February 16

I think it's time to scale down older content so it can be completed when there is noone else on the map. Some world bosses sit on my quest log for days before I see anyone near them.
And yes, queue's are insane. I sat in a pvp queue as a dps Level 14 for over an hour once last week. I ended up building a tank so I could run dungeons in a timely manner and the trade system has to be consolidated into a central auction house because the current state is crap as player base dwindles.
Honestly, I think a trade revamp may actually help with player retention

Lags · February 16

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

GF empty completely empty. BG`s queues is 5+ minutes. Queue for Cyro is 8 ppls in Gray Host. I'm scared...
It's amazing how this game loses players in sudden bursts. Just a couple of weeks ago there was still some activity in the gf during prime time... Now even the guild chats are empty. Almost everywhere, from reddit to imageboards, the posting speed has dropped significantly. Regular online steam fell from 18 to 13 thousand.

the games been bleeding players for a while. That combined with the game always getting bigger, more zones, more instances, etc. Im surprised i even see people out in the world. But pretty much anyone being honest knows we have a lot less people playing than in the past few years. Seems like every year it goes down, which is sad. Hopefully they can turn it around this year. They really need to stop making bad combat changes, improve performance, improve rewards, and start thinking outside of the box to excite players, and i think they could bring back a lot of people.

Stridig · February 16

I wait in queue every single day of the week to enter GH unless it's the first half of the day. PC/NA

Renato90085 · February 16

eso loop
event start>back 15-20k player>event over>back 5-7k player>>wait next event
but yes, if no event or weeked ,eso feel dead game

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 16

You know the constant disconnections might have something to do with it as well.

barney2525 · February 16

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

yeah. uhuh. sure.

That's why so much of the world map is PvP

Grizzbeorn · February 16

shezof wrote: »

it was literally a major marketing point for ESO.

That was 10+ years ago, and it wasn't the ONLY marketing point.
And nobody is pretending that PvP doesn't exist.

Avran_Sylt · February 16

barney2525 wrote: »

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

yeah. uhuh. sure.

That's why so much of the world map is PvP

? The point of PvP is that other players are "the content". If you complete a PvE zone, that's it, nothing resets (unless you make a new char). But if an objective in PvP has been captured, well, new objective. It turns smaller content investment into a cyclical event that ultimately allows a game to do more with less.

Tandor · February 16

shezof wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

why a lot of people on forums like to pretend PvP doesnt exist? it was literally a major marketing point for ESO. long term sustain for this game isnt PvE, its PvP.

People know that PvP exists, but they also like to call out complaints that the game is dead when what is actually being complained about is the state of PvP, not the game as a whole.

As for the OP's point about Steam, average and peak levels have improved slightly over the last couple of months. The game is far from dead, regardless of the state of PvP which has never been the long term sustain point for ESO.

LootAllTheStuff · February 16

I signed on to XB-NA shortly after the OP"s post in this thread, and overland was also pretty empty (Mournhold and Rimmen).

Maybe a lot of people were out shovelling snow? north-east NA has been seeing lots of the white stuff this weekend.

xylena_lazarow · February 16

SilverBride wrote: »

These threads keep popping up, yet I have not noticed any drop on PCNA.

It still fills up during NA prime time but that window keeps shrinking and it's more and more dead in the off hours. What's even more concerning is how dead it is during Asia or Oceania prime time.

freespirit · February 16

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

These threads keep popping up, yet I have not noticed any drop on PCNA.

It still fills up during NA prime time but that window keeps shrinking and it's more and more dead in the off hours. What's even more concerning is how dead it is during Asia or Oceania prime time.

PC-EU seems to currently have an extended 'prime time' maybe the Asian and Oceaniac players have switched servers?

I cannot comment about the state of PVP but on one of my accounts I am doing a playthrough trying to get all possible achievements on one character. Currently working on DC base game zones and I can honestly say regardless of time of day, I am never alone!

I see lots of low level players, might be Alt's of higher level accounts but also could be a healthy number of new players.

What I do see way too often is people in chat who are overwhelmed and have no idea what they should do next, the game is now huge but still very poorly explained, I can search online and find what I need but how a new player would even know what to search is beyond me!!

I see player retention being a huge issue these days.

LadyGP · February 16

SilverBride wrote: »

Oh, so this is about PvP.

Can it not be about both? "The Game" is both PvE and PvP is it not?