Pan-Tamriel - Treasure maps Leads passive bonus.

Thoriorz · January 2025

@ZOS_Kevin
Hi, I want to thank the devs for the passive bonus (increased chances to drop Leads from the treasure map) in the current pan-tamriel event.
Thanks to it I finished the 9/9 codex at Apocryphal Well. I hope that similar passive bonuses will appear in ESO in the future.
So once again, thank you very much!

Asdara · January 2025

Doesnt worked for west weald maps tho... gathered more than 100 maps and not a single lead...
Might be bugged like curated fish drops @ZOS_Kevin could you look into this? opened ticket without response (250125-001184)

MafiaCat115 · January 2025

Definitely agree that it is appreciated. Honestly, I think they should keep this doubled loot table for map chests. It makes them honestly feel worth doing, and it makes the book furnishings and leads appear at a much better rate.

spartaxoxo · January 2025

I got double drops from the West Weald map at least once. Or I think I did. I got two leads.

Thoriorz · January 2025

Asdara wrote: »

Doesnt worked for west weald maps tho... gathered more than 100 maps and not a single lead...
Might be bugged like curated fish drops @ZOS_Kevin could you look into this? opened ticket without response (250125-001184)

Hm, strange, I can't say anything, I had the West Weald complete before the event but hopefully someone will take a look at your ticket.
I'm planning on doing the Motifs from Treasure Maps in Deadlands tomorrow, so hopefully it'll be as good as Apocryphal Well Leads.

Asdara · January 2025

@ZOS_Kevin i still dnt have a reponse from support, its been 2 days...
250125-001184

DragonRacer · January 2025

I did about 10 West Weald maps yesterday and got one lead. I did also get two paintings, though!

katanagirl1 · January 2025

I got some West Weald leads the first couple of days but none since. I get leads from other zones, though. It’s like I hit some threshold where the game just won’t let me get any more from that zone.

liliub17_ESO · January 2025

My problem is that I'm only getting those increased drops on the two accounts who have baby characters who are beginner antiquarians ........ and I simply do not have enough time in the day to get them high enough to use the leads

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Nestor · January 2025

I bought about 200 Treasure Maps leading up to this to the Event. I think I got one West Weald, and that was a Regular Overworld Chest Drop. I did notice it was stingy on rewards.

As for moving Maps from bank to character never had any issue.

Edit to complete my post

Asdara · January 2025

Support responded: "Its RNG bro, not our fault"
WOW i'm baffled by this situation :
- The lack of response for 3 day straight
- Only to get an automated response
- The fact that you ignored straight facts that prove that the RNG isn't working as intended...

Oh by the way i've used an other 40 map while waiting for support, guess the results

tmacedo · January 2025

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

GeneralGrundmann · January 2025

Thoriorz wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin
Hi, I want to thank the devs for the passive bonus (increased chances to drop Leads from the treasure map) in the current pan-tamriel event.
Thanks to it I finished the 9/9 codex at Apocryphal Well. I hope that similar passive bonuses will appear in ESO in the future.
So once again, thank you very much!

I just made 3/9 but I am totally happy that I now have at least one Apocryphal Well. Normally I am not into housing and furniture, but I really wanted that item. So, thanks!

BretonMage · January 2025

I'd love to see this bonus again! I missed the West Weald maps from Filer Ool, and I'm definitely not going to pay the enormously elevated prices they're asking for them at the guild traders.

Thoriorz · January 2025

tmacedo wrote: »

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

Hi, I have furnishing stuff from West Weald Treasure Maps all full codex, I used to buy maps from the market under 20k/piece and it cost me over 4mil to complete the codex.
For Apocryphal Well I was stuck on 4/9 and opened over 200 maps (I stopped counting at 200) and no gold Lead for the Well, before event. I was at the stage that if I didn't complete a full codex during pan-tamriel I was done with ESO, however the event pleasantly surprised me and only needed around 50-60 maps to make a 9/9 codex.

If you're a codex hunter, I'd recommend putting together a codex now, because as I described above Lead drop (at least for West Weald furnishing and Apocryphal Well) is incredibly *** + not curated, so...

tmacedo · January 2025

Thoriorz wrote: »

tmacedo wrote: »

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

Hi, I have furnishing stuff from West Weald Treasure Maps all full codex, I used to buy maps from the market under 20k/piece and it cost me over 4mil to complete the codex.
For Apocryphal Well I was stuck on 4/9 and opened over 200 maps (I stopped counting at 200) and no gold Lead for the Well, before event. I was at the stage that if I didn't complete a full codex during pan-tamriel I was done with ESO, however the event pleasantly surprised me and only needed around 50-60 maps to make a 9/9 codex.

If you're a codex hunter, I'd recommend putting together a codex now, because as I described above Lead drop (at least for West Weald furnishing and Apocryphal Well) is incredibly *** + not curated, so...

Yeah, im a bit of a codex hunter (more because of few and few things to do in the game). I started that in the last Skyrim event, where Reach maps were dropping a lot so I managed to complete the motif there (only scarab left). Then i just waited similar events for blackwood, hi and such.

First off was blackwood/deadlands. I had to choose blackwood because they were cheaper, even now deadlands are nuts prices. Then HI event came and I rapidly farmed all leads for ancestral breton.

Now this event was a godsend because I dont see myself completing that codex without it (I spent around 1.7mil to full ancient daedric motif).

As much as I want it barely left me any gold so I have no means of pursuing necrom or ww stuff now.

heaven13 · January 2025

I was doing pretty decent with this event: finished both Ancestral Breton and Ancestral Akaviri. Started Ancient Daedric but, of course, there's got to be someone who buys literally every map in existence. I'm sure they'll pop back into traders towards the end of the event 5x higher priced than they were. (Even the already ridiculously priced ones that were over 400k are gone this morning).

I'd love to see this as either a recurring event or a CP that we can unlock because it really helps without canceling out the RNG of maps entirely.

ShadowPaladin · January 2025

heaven13 wrote: »

I'd love to see this as either a recurring event or a CP that we can unlock because it really helps without canceling out the RNG of maps entirely.

Our at least make it a perma passive we can get from one of the future companions ZOS may give us.

twisttop138 · January 2025

Thoriorz wrote: »

tmacedo wrote: »

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

Hi, I have furnishing stuff from West Weald Treasure Maps all full codex, I used to buy maps from the market under 20k/piece and it cost me over 4mil to complete the codex.
For Apocryphal Well I was stuck on 4/9 and opened over 200 maps (I stopped counting at 200) and no gold Lead for the Well, before event. I was at the stage that if I didn't complete a full codex during pan-tamriel I was done with ESO, however the event pleasantly surprised me and only needed around 50-60 maps to make a 9/9 codex.

If you're a codex hunter, I'd recommend putting together a codex now, because as I described above Lead drop (at least for West Weald furnishing and Apocryphal Well) is incredibly *** + not curated, so...

Sorry, I'm a returning player who took a break right around greymoor. Im just now getting into scrying. When you say 9/9 codex, you're meaning that you excavated each item or you excavated each item over and over? I only ask because I saw some leads have multiple entries. Also, when you say codex you mean the times you send the item "out overnight for guild inspection" right? Sorry again, but I haven't really seen this covered in the guides I've seen.

Rishikesa108 · January 2025

twisttop138 wrote: »

Thoriorz wrote: »

tmacedo wrote: »

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

Hi, I have furnishing stuff from West Weald Treasure Maps all full codex, I used to buy maps from the market under 20k/piece and it cost me over 4mil to complete the codex.
For Apocryphal Well I was stuck on 4/9 and opened over 200 maps (I stopped counting at 200) and no gold Lead for the Well, before event. I was at the stage that if I didn't complete a full codex during pan-tamriel I was done with ESO, however the event pleasantly surprised me and only needed around 50-60 maps to make a 9/9 codex.

If you're a codex hunter, I'd recommend putting together a codex now, because as I described above Lead drop (at least for West Weald furnishing and Apocryphal Well) is incredibly *** + not curated, so...

Sorry, I'm a returning player who took a break right around greymoor. Im just now getting into scrying. When you say 9/9 codex, you're meaning that you excavated each item or you excavated each item over and over? I only ask because I saw some leads have multiple entries. Also, when you say codex you mean the times you send the item "out overnight for guild inspection" right? Sorry again, but I haven't really seen this covered in the guides I've seen.

In this picture you can see codexes. You can complete codexes when you reach the number required for that specific antiquity. They are useful for furnishing items, because if you complete the codex, then you can buy the item at the furnishing vendors. But you might want to finish them just for completionism :-)

Rishikesa108 · January 2025

Not only I do think they should bring back this event bonus, I also think they should find a way to extend the reroll bonus to leads that come from other sources, not just treasure maps. In fact, the antiquities/leads system as it is now is too penalizing, the RNG is too bad, players need to be helped. Especially when it comes to DLC areas, especially from The Deadlands onwards. We need to complete codexes ! As it is right now... it's just impossible (if your account has a bad RNG table as default)

@ZOS_Kevin

Thoriorz · January 2025

twisttop138 wrote: »

Thoriorz wrote: »

tmacedo wrote: »

I managed to complete the codex for High Isle last legacy of bretons event and now the ancient daedric one (although it cost me a bit) l. Highly appreciated. I'll leave Telvanni and West Weald for future tho. I dont think i'll be completing them this event

Hi, I have furnishing stuff from West Weald Treasure Maps all full codex, I used to buy maps from the market under 20k/piece and it cost me over 4mil to complete the codex.
For Apocryphal Well I was stuck on 4/9 and opened over 200 maps (I stopped counting at 200) and no gold Lead for the Well, before event. I was at the stage that if I didn't complete a full codex during pan-tamriel I was done with ESO, however the event pleasantly surprised me and only needed around 50-60 maps to make a 9/9 codex.

If you're a codex hunter, I'd recommend putting together a codex now, because as I described above Lead drop (at least for West Weald furnishing and Apocryphal Well) is incredibly *** + not curated, so...

Sorry, I'm a returning player who took a break right around greymoor. Im just now getting into scrying. When you say 9/9 codex, you're meaning that you excavated each item or you excavated each item over and over? I only ask because I saw some leads have multiple entries. Also, when you say codex you mean the times you send the item "out overnight for guild inspection" right? Sorry again, but I haven't really seen this covered in the guides I've seen.

Hi, as Rishikesa has already written, you will fulfill the code if you dig the item a certain number of times. For example the mentioned Apocryphal Well, consists of 3 Leads and if you want to have a full codex you have to dig Apocryphal Well practically 3 times. (you get and dig 3 gold Leads = you got one Apocryphal Well and have 3/9 Codex, etc etc)
I hope you know what I mean, I use a translator, yknow..

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I'd love to see this as either a recurring event or a CP that we can unlock because it really helps without canceling out the RNG of maps entirely.

Our at least make it a perma passive we can get from one of the future companions ZOS may give us.

This would actually be absolutely amazing!

belial5221_ESO · January 2025

It took me abuot 20 maps to get all the 8 leads for furnishing in West Weald.I do a simple trick to help it though.Don't scry any leads til you got like 8(plus the one default) for the zone.There seems to be a limit of 8 unscryed leads per zone.Then scry and dig one piece,so you can get another lead,which means you won't get a double of any in the unscryed list.It forces a better chance of getting a lead you need.I've done it every zone,and I don't need as many maps.

SilverBride · January 2025

I got a West Weald map from doing my daily writs today and the chest had 2 leads in it.

tmacedo · January 2025

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

It took me abuot 20 maps to get all the 8 leads for furnishing in West Weald.I do a simple trick to help it though.Don't scry any leads til you got like 8(plus the one default) for the zone.There seems to be a limit of 8 unscryed leads per zone.Then scry and dig one piece,so you can get another lead,which means you won't get a double of any in the unscryed list.It forces a better chance of getting a lead you need.I've done it every zone,and I don't need as many maps.

I do that trick for entire motifs leads. You can keep diggin to find every one of them before scrying the first. In my ancient daedric pursuit, i dropped each piece and even found one furniture lead, having 15 leads available for scrying. Of course, it becomes much more rare when you have two or one left. I opened like 10-12 maps just for the last lead. I think there is no limit for that.

heaven13 · January 2025

tmacedo wrote: »

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

It took me abuot 20 maps to get all the 8 leads for furnishing in West Weald.I do a simple trick to help it though.Don't scry any leads til you got like 8(plus the one default) for the zone.There seems to be a limit of 8 unscryed leads per zone.Then scry and dig one piece,so you can get another lead,which means you won't get a double of any in the unscryed list.It forces a better chance of getting a lead you need.I've done it every zone,and I don't need as many maps.

I do that trick for entire motifs leads. You can keep diggin to find every one of them before scrying the first. In my ancient daedric pursuit, i dropped each piece and even found one furniture lead, having 15 leads available for scrying. Of course, it becomes much more rare when you have two or one left. I opened like 10-12 maps just for the last lead. I think there is no limit for that.

Yeah, I almost think it works similarly to the old battleground rewards. It tries to give a lead but if it picks one you already have, you don't get any. I was getting more leads when I had none vs when I had 3 or 4 left to find. So I'd slowly dig up one or two that I have 0 on, to try to "open" some space to have a lead more likely to drop and try to guide it to giving me ones I had less of. But, of course, that's just my own bias.

DoofusMax · January 2025

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

It took me abuot 20 maps to get all the 8 leads for furnishing in West Weald.I do a simple trick to help it though.Don't scry any leads til you got like 8(plus the one default) for the zone.There seems to be a limit of 8 unscryed leads per zone.Then scry and dig one piece,so you can get another lead,which means you won't get a double of any in the unscryed list.It forces a better chance of getting a lead you need.I've done it every zone,and I don't need as many maps.

I'm not sure that this is how it works. I dug up a bunch of chests in base-game zones last night (got a few missing chapters from those "Ancestral <race>" motifs). I checked what leads could be scried in the zone before heading for the chest location and scried/excavated any which I could before digging up the chests. Maybe I got a lead (sometimes two), but more often it was just the normal chest loot (and I still have most of those holes in the motif chapters). I did get some chapter leads, so not a total waste of time, but the leads were all for known chapters (even my alts knew them). On the bright side, I filled up the Bank, toon-swapped, and got lots of mats from deconning the chest contents.

belial5221_ESO · January 2025

As long as you hold leads without scrying,you can't get a duplicate of them.I always dig dupes before unknowns,so as to have better chance at another unknown popping.It's not perfect,but better than digging up leads as you get em.If you dig up as you get em,you can get constant dupes.The way I stated,helps limit some dupes.Seeing West Weald only has like 9 items that get dug from maps as leads,it works better.

BretonMage · January 2025

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

As long as you hold leads without scrying,you can't get a duplicate of them.I always dig dupes before unknowns,so as to have better chance at another unknown popping.It's not perfect,but better than digging up leads as you get em.If you dig up as you get em,you can get constant dupes.The way I stated,helps limit some dupes.Seeing West Weald only has like 9 items that get dug from maps as leads,it works better.

In the Bug Reports section, there's a thread on West Weald maps, and in it a poster states that leads are not curated, though. So that means that if you already possess a lead, if the RNG was going to give you that particular lead, it will instead just give you nothing. So you won't get duplicate leads, but it will also not give you new leads. I think I had this experience with IA leads as well.

I honestly hate that some items are only available through this RNG-upon-RNG system. First you need an RNG to get a zone treasure map, then you need ANOTHER RNG to get the lead. It's really depressing and demoralising.

kind_hero · January 2025

I got 2 West Weald maps during this event, but I got the same lead I have already found three times (a grand ayleid tree). I think putting leads only in treasure boxes is not fun, because it takes a lot of random factors to get the map in the first place, and next to get a lead, and in the end to get the lead you haven't found already.

I am especially sad in the case of furnishing leads. Many housing enthusiasts want those items unlocked, which is quite difficult for some items. Maybe with mythics, due to their special item status, it could be more grindy, I don't know. But furnishings shouldn't be such a grind. An other issue is they are bound. For example: there is a series of journals in Coldharbour, from treasure chests. I bought many maps to get the 3rd part of the journal, but I got many copies of part 1, 2 and 4. Odd... Unfortunately, these journal furnishings are bound, and surplus copies can't even be sold to the merchant. Why is that? Why not make them 1500 gold in case I have enough copies, instead of having to destroy them?

Thoriorz · February 2025

BretonMage wrote: »

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

As long as you hold leads without scrying,you can't get a duplicate of them.I always dig dupes before unknowns,so as to have better chance at another unknown popping.It's not perfect,but better than digging up leads as you get em.If you dig up as you get em,you can get constant dupes.The way I stated,helps limit some dupes.Seeing West Weald only has like 9 items that get dug from maps as leads,it works better.

In the Bug Reports section, there's a thread on West Weald maps, and in it a poster states that leads are not curated, though. So that means that if you already possess a lead, if the RNG was going to give you that particular lead, it will instead just give you nothing. So you won't get duplicate leads, but it will also not give you new leads. I think I had this experience with IA leads as well.

I honestly hate that some items are only available through this RNG-upon-RNG system. First you need an RNG to get a zone treasure map, then you need ANOTHER RNG to get the lead. It's really depressing and demoralising.

So it's not a bug, Leads are not curated.
And as you write, if you want a specific Lead from the chest and you don't dig up the already acquired Lead (which you don't want) so in case the RNG rolls the Lead you have in the chest you simply won't see anything (because you already have the Lead and you can't get it again).
By not digging up Leads you don't want you don't increase the chances of getting the one you want, you just don't get duplicates of the ones you already have, that's all.

This is why, for example, if you are missing 1 Lead out of 10 and you already have 9 (acquired but not dug), you may have to open a lot of chests before you see the Lead drop (the one you want). But that doesn't mean that Leads don't roll off of open chests, you just don't see them because you already have them acquired (and not dug up).

And I agree RNG in these cases (treasure maps/IA Leads) should be at least either curated or modified somehow..
One then burns millions of gold on Treasure Maps, practically for nothing..
I'm only a few Leads short of a full codex in IA and now it's going to be a total pain because there are a lot of Leads I don't want + the fact that Leads can only be obtained from chests from minigames, a goblin that spawns occasionally during a boss and a marauder, that doesn't help much either..