LunaFlora wrote: »

that wouldn't be possible for Gamepad Mode or Consoles as there are no buttons left for extra skill slots.

disagree

we already have multi-key presses for synergys on console. you could do the same (x + b, x + y , lt + x , rt + x etc) plenty of combos left

LunaFlora wrote: »

that wouldn't be possible for Gamepad Mode or Consoles as there are no buttons left for extra skill slots.

If I can do a 32 button dragoon in ffxiv on a controller, it's fully possible. Button combos are a thing.

I'd be happy if they would simply let me put a normal skill in the ult slot.

Soarora wrote: »

That would result in increased dps, increased healing, and more complicated rotations. All of which is exactly what ZOS is trying not to do.

They could simplify and consolidate the bazillion 'buffs' that exist, then add slots to add skills that are actual skills, not just a bunch of 'slot this cause it adds a buff' and 'slot this and press every ten seconds cause it also adds a buff' garbage as it's all the buffs stacking on top of each other that drive the inflated dps they keep trying (and failing) to tone down.

LunaFlora wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

that wouldn't be possible for Gamepad Mode or Consoles as there are no buttons left for extra skill slots.

If I can do a 32 button dragoon in ffxiv on a controller, it's fully possible. Button combos are a thing.

i have no idea what a 32 button dragoon is.

button combos are a possibility, but they aren't as accessible.
i struggle with synergies because of the button combo.

The dragoon job in ffxiv has about 28 abilities plus potions and limit break and stuff to put on its bars.

If I can manage five button combos and stuff it's perfectly possible to work here. People that can't do button combos on a controller are likely a minority. That said, I don't care if they do or not.

Please no. My fingers only reach so far.

Sakiri wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

that wouldn't be possible for Gamepad Mode or Consoles as there are no buttons left for extra skill slots.

If I can do a 32 button dragoon in ffxiv on a controller, it's fully possible. Button combos are a thing.

i have no idea what a 32 button dragoon is.

button combos are a possibility, but they aren't as accessible.
i struggle with synergies because of the button combo.

The dragoon job in ffxiv has about 28 abilities plus potions and limit break and stuff to put on its bars.

If I can manage five button combos and stuff it's perfectly possible to work here. People that can't do button combos on a controller are likely a minority. That said, I don't care if they do or not.

I didn't pay ffxiv long but if I remember right the combat flow was quite a bit different. What can work there probably would be cumbersome here.

I don't have a third set of fingers for extra skill slots.

Extra skill slots are unlikely. Since:

1) Adding an extra skill means increasing power level overall and thus having to rebalance around such an increase.

2) They've been actively trying to make things more accessible with things like the increased DoT durations in U35 to make things less spammy. Adding additional buttons makes things more spammy and less accessible (Especially for console players)

It's just not providing much benefit for a lot of downside and doesn't jive with their recent trend.

On a side note:

I wonder if consoles will ever evolve their controllers? It's very easy to have 6 face buttons in the space they have. The Megadrive did it yonks ago (As did N64 albeit in its odd Nintendo fashion with the 4 C buttons and oddly sized A and B buttons)

Heck, they could even actually include ordinal direction buttons for their D pads instead of relying on the mushy pad trying to press both cardinal directions simultaneously (Which would not only make fighting games diagonal inputs more accessible, but would allow for up to 4 more quick slot buttons)

Would vastly increase the amount of range a console user has for inputs, without the need for strange grappling to press combo skills (Man, the strange ways I've had to hold controllers over the years to do various input combinations...)

100% no. Multi button combos using a controller (either on PC or playing on a console) are horrible.
Getting synergies to reliably work in this game are a disaster. Add to that trying to spam them by pressing 2 controller buttons is flaky enough that it can make you cause a team wipe. (Looking at you Cloudrest.)
As this game has less skill buttons, you're expected to be able to use them very quickly - ideally 2 per second. This is unfeasible to do with multi button presses on a controller.

I wish they would add one more gear slot so I could wear a monster set and a mythic at the same time with my two 5 piece sets! 😊

Taril wrote: »

I wonder if consoles will ever evolve their controllers? It's very easy to have 6 face buttons in the space they have. The Megadrive did it yonks ago (As did N64 albeit in its odd Nintendo fashion with the 4 C buttons and oddly sized A and B buttons)

You can already have it now on PC:



The total numbers of buttons are not changed. Back-paddles are mapped to D pad and L/R press, while non-combat functions can be remapped to combos or mini keys, which serves an additional keyboard.

darvaria wrote: »

Since base game was introduced, several skill lines have been added.

At least, add a slot for scribing if not just one slot for any skill line?

Compromise, 2 new skill slots, no extra keys

Movement slot:

• Activate using the default evade keys
• Completely overwrites your evade
• Can slot in new evade abilities for each class
• Ex: blink, leap(not the current leap but y'know a different one), etc
• Concerns: none this is amazing

Weapon basic slot:

• Activate using the weapon basic keys
• Add the basic attacks as skills
• Ex: Beam(on a lightning staff will be the way we know it, but you can also put it on a fire or ice staff), Same for a blast kind of ability.
• Ex2: Class abilities like the Arcanists runeblades can be equipped here too, like blasts but depending on what staff is used they can do different elemental damage. this adds to class fantasy since now all abilities including weapon can be based on your aesthetic but also offers cohesion with builds based around your weapons damage type.
• Concerns: This would be a tad bit more difficult for martial weapons, but still doable and in my opinion worth the effort.

Side note:
I do think staves in general should be element agnostic and just be empty vessels to apply any element into, the limit of fire ice and lighting is kind of obnoxious (pure magic damage? holy? shadow? blood?) and the idea that the spell is tiedto the weapon makes it just feel like other weapon, like I'm not a spell caster, i just picked up a preprogrammed wand that does the casting for me. I didn't mention this above because it's a bit of a bigger issue and is a bit harder to explain in terms of the main idea.

darvaria wrote: »

Since base game was introduced, several skill lines have been added.

At least, add a slot for scribing if not just one slot for any skill line?

My PS5 controller says, "No."