xclassgaming wrote: »

I like this; and i hope this is how seasons are montersied i'd rather just pay my yearly eso+ alone; then my yearly eso+ and the chapter/season.

It’d be fine if it was this way for solo story content, the problem here is that this is group content. So everyone in ones circle has to buy eso+, assuming that they are actually able to do so, in order to not be left behind or hold everyone else up.

RomanRex wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

I like this; and i hope this is how seasons are montersied i'd rather just pay my yearly eso+ alone; then my yearly eso+ and the chapter/season.

It’d be fine if it was this way for solo story content, the problem here is that this is group content. So everyone in ones circle has to buy eso+, assuming that they are actually able to do so, in order to not be left behind or hold everyone else up.

They’ve signaled that Seasons will follow the same model.

No one who left is going to be motivated to return, knowing they’ll need a monthly subscription now—especially if they’ve already spent hundreds on previous DLC.

By shifting their business model, they’re essentially forcing subscriptions to access content and participate in the community. It feels like a deliberate move to lock players in, rather than providing genuine value for the cost.

Right, ESO+ has a lot of value if you haven’t already bought all of the DLC but if you have then… well…
I know personally that the people I know (and myself) stopped paying ESO+ due to ZOS’ decisions, so making more bad decisions pushes them away from playing the game at all instead of towards buying ESO+.

Edit: let alone people who cannot buy eso+ either due to life circumstances and/or regional issues. Someone else cannot get the DLC for them.

licenturion wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

I don't like it, but I guess they have to recoup some of the money lost on Chapter sales. I expect all future DLC from now on to require an active ESO+ sub to access and play while the current ''season'' is active. Then they will probably put it for sale at the Crown Store when the new ''season'' starts.

Well maybe they want to gather data as well.

But I don’t know if they will get more money this way.

If everything becomes an ESO+ exclusive I will just miss out on the content and play it during a trial. Or I will wait until there is a whole bunch of new content and I will focus on that while I get 1 month of ESO+, play the new stuff, get the companions and other stuff and cancel.

I also wouldn’t buy anymore crowns in sale either because my main crown purchases have always been DLC.

So that is less engagement with new content and less spending. This way of releasing content and no chapter is getting my hype level for ESO at a very low point for 2025. Luckily I also play a bunch of other games while I wait.

Just remember people: if you are not okay with this, vote with your wallet. I is the only powerful tool make then change their mind next time.

Why wait so long to take a subscription and complete a dungeon, if during this time these dungeons, as announced, will move to the crown store?

Again, a lot of discontent out of nowhere... You will still be able to buy them, just not right away, but when they move to the crown store... Is this such a big problem? What a stupid idea, to wait a year and then complete the released dungeons in a month. They will no longer require a subscription and can be purchased for crowns, as you wanted... With this logic, nothing stopped you from doing the same before...

I am fine with this decision.

Tonight's reveal generally left me happy.

Looking forward to the PVP test!

I run three accounts, two with plus, it's my treat to myself and as far as I am concerned, one less takeaway, one less evening of alcohol debauchery is a great swap!!

My PC is rapidly becoming a potato BUT I have no performance issues, I run addons but not huge numbers.

The yearly Chapter upgrade(not deluxe) cost me around £33, now I don't need to pay that and I get the dungeons anyway.

I will happily continue my plus as my main account has had it continuously since it became a thing.

My takeaway from tonight's stream was this is not a team that is giving up, it's a team that still wants ESO to survive!!

RomanRex wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

I like this; and i hope this is how seasons are montersied i'd rather just pay my yearly eso+ alone; then my yearly eso+ and the chapter/season.

It’d be fine if it was this way for solo story content, the problem here is that this is group content. So everyone in ones circle has to buy eso+, assuming that they are actually able to do so, in order to not be left behind or hold everyone else up.

They’ve signaled that Seasons will follow the same model.

No one who left is going to be motivated to return, knowing they’ll need a monthly subscription now—especially if they’ve already spent hundreds on previous DLC.

By shifting their business model, they’re essentially forcing subscriptions to access content and participate in the community. It feels like a deliberate move to lock players in, rather than providing genuine value for the cost.

To be honest... this game has been around for so long you can buy the box game for like... $3 on some websites.

This is them easing everyone into the new pricing model. Ashes of Creations is going the similar route.

They clearly are hemeraging people so I don't really blame them. They have to keep making $ to pay for everything and they have investors so...

Kinda just is what it is. I'm not mad at it.

Maybe they're trying to signal me that I should stay in PoE 2 for the time being.

Joke aside it seems like them trying to have a sub based game back that they already had once but with ability to access it way after when the "hype" dies out or new content is released again.

On paper it sounds good for them, in reality for example I can't see most dungeon groups simultaneously resub as if the game is fine and great again. For some it's on principle and some simply can't because their geographical situation excluding thousand of active players. So if 1 of 4 is out, the whole group is out until everyone would be able to access it and surely it won't bring any satisfaction and would likely solidify their decision that sub isn't an option.

Also not the brightest decision if they wanted engagement with PTS or any upcoming tests in such environment. Personally I don't see a point in it when my main content would be available to my group fully no one knows when.

Some people in these forums have been saying for years that they think ESO should get away from relying on the Crown Store for funding and go back to requiring a subscription. I don't agree, even though I do maintain an active subscription. ZOS said they're going to be trying out different ideas, and I feel like this might just be an experiment to test the waters, not necessarily something that's going to become standard procedure.

Ph1p wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

One month of ESO+ is cheaper than buying the dungeons outright.

Not really an argument, since one month of ESO+ also only lets you play the dungeons for a month.

But once you have collected all the sets and achievements which you can get in one month easily, why still play it?

Artem_gig wrote: »

Again, a lot of discontent out of nowhere... You will still be able to buy them, just not right away, but when they move to the crown store... Is this such a big problem? What a stupid idea, to wait a year and then complete the released dungeons in a month. They will no longer require a subscription and can be purchased for crowns, as you wanted... With this logic, nothing stopped you from doing the same before...

To be fair there isn't a huge rush to do new dungeons, besides them being new.
Cause motifs will drop in like 6-7 months from now? with the mask in 1-2 years.
Only reason to do dungeons asap is if there was a meta set that you had to get or else you will fall behind, which isn't the case at least that's what I've heard that the sets there are kinda meh at best.

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

To be fair there isn't a huge rush to do new dungeons, besides them being new.
Cause motifs will drop in like 6-7 months from now? with the mask in 1-2 years.
Only reason to do dungeons asap is if there was a meta set that you had to get or else you will fall behind, which isn't the case at least that's what I've heard that the sets there are kinda meh at best.

You're assuming that they're going to continue doing what they've always done, whilst they do the thing they've never done before. The sets may seem "meh" at the moment (assuming that doesn't change during PTS) but they can still start releasing the motifs / masks sooner and lock antiquity leads / event tickets behind those dungeons. They're not going to just hope that people wander into the increased subscriptions model, they will introduce sources of FOMO to push people in that direction.

I don't really see the issue here. We all knew ZOS was going to hammer down monetization to make up for the lack of Chapter sales. If all they do is ESO+ then like...who cares?

Do people actually buy dungeons with crowns? That's such a waste of money honestly, they've never been worth the price.

I was expecting them to do something way more ridiculous than just making ESO+ more important, like quadrupling crown store prices lmao. Won't be the end of the game don't worry. FFXIV has a mandatory sub, paid expansions and a cash shop and it's doing just fine. If all they do is put seasonal content behind ESO+ for a while then like, whatever honestly. They specified at launch, which implies it'll probably go out of ESO+ and for purchase once a new "season" is available. That last part is speculation of course, but lets wait and see.

The one thing I'd like to see however, with dungeons locked behind a monthly sub, is motifs dropping at LAUNCH. Instead of waiting 3-6 months for them...

It's just 10 dollars A MONTH, i.e. avoid drinking 2 beers and you'll be fine. You get an insane amount of value for that 10 dollars.

licenturion wrote: »

Just read the announcement on the official new page.

As mentioned above, if you wish to tackle these two new Alliance War-themed dungeons, you’ll need an active ESO Plus membership. The dungeon DLC will NOT be available for purchase for crowns at launch.

This is a bad move and sets a really bad precedent for the upcoming seasonal stuff.

I will wait until they are for sale at some point or wait until there is another trial week. Or just wait out a year of content and grab everything with one month of ESO+. No need for buying crowns either in sale because DLC was my main use for crowns. It will be a cheap year for a patient gamer.

I wonder also if this will affect matchmaking times for group finder now that a part of the community is excluded.

What do other think of this?

"As mentioned above, if you wish to tackle these two new Alliance War-themed dungeons, you’ll need an active ESO Plus membership. The dungeon DLC will NOT be available for purchase for crowns at launch."

AlterBlika wrote: »

CoolBlast3 wrote: »

I don't really see the issue here. We all knew ZOS was going to hammer down monetization to make up for the lack of Chapter sales. If all they do is ESO+ then like...who cares?

Do people actually buy dungeons with crowns? That's such a waste of money honestly, they've never been worth the price.

I bought all DLCs a few years ago. I'd spend much more money if I just subbed every time.
Now I need to buy worthless (for me) sub and eventually buy these dungeons in store when they're finally available. Seems like a waste of money to me, compared to the old monetization model.

Although it's not a big problem if they're unavailable for say a few months. But waiting a year to buy dungeons pack after its release surely sucks.

Seasons are said to last 3 to 6 months according to ZOS. So it's likely they'll be in the store at minimum 3 months after and at most 6 months if this does not change. You could sub for a month, play the dungeons on release, then with the sub currency buy the dungeons once they're out most likely. This is, if the prices for them remain the same as other dungeons, you'd have a small amount of crowns to spare as well.

If this is the case, it's more or less the same as it's always been except that it's purchase locked for a few months, but if you sub to play at launch you'll still have the crowns to buy them once they're out at least? I know other games have a similiar model, such as Elite Dangerous (a space sim) selling new ships for IRL money and then having them be available for in-game (non-premium) currency a few months later.