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Hidden Blade needs some love.
Duke_Falcon
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As long as I have played ESO, I don't know anyone that can make good use of this skill. It probably needs reworked.
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KaironBlackbard✭✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »As long as I have played ESO, I don't know anyone that can make good use of this skill. It probably needs reworked.
That's why my brother averages 45k with it0 -
Zodiarkslayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.If anyone here says: OH! But, PVP! I swear I'll ...
Thank you for the valuable input and respectfully recommend to discuss that aspect of ESO on the PVP forum.0 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
Killers blade is up to 400% on targets below 50%. At 25% it's only 200%. It's only when they get below 12.5% that it may become better than Impale.
Impale is 300% at 25% and below.1 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.1 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.Edited by KaironBlackbard on December 30, 2024 12:22AM0 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.
Whats he attacking though? An overland NPC, or an experienced 28-32k armored PvPer with 3k crit resistance? That's gonna make a big difference. It'll do nothing to the PvP player. In pvp the skill is useless. In pve trials/vet dungeon content, I think the skill is also useless.2 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.
Whats he attacking though? An overland NPC, or an experienced 28-32k armored PvPer with 3k crit resistance? That's gonna make a big difference. It'll do nothing to the PvP player. In pvp the skill is useless. In pve trials/vet dungeon content, I think the skill is also useless.
In PVP Everything I've ever tried is useless. The only success any of my family have has was my brother on a Concealed Weapon Gank build, ganking. Glass Cannon. My only success was a Thews of the Harbinger Block Tank build, rocking shield and ice staff, spell wall on shield bar. I wish we didn't have to double bar Flare and Radiant Magelight (Major Protection {Flare}, Immunity to the stun from sneak attacks {Radiant Magelight}).
He did that against a dungeon boss. Flank strike. I don't remember which one, could even have been veteran.0 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.
Whats he attacking though? An overland NPC, or an experienced 28-32k armored PvPer with 3k crit resistance? That's gonna make a big difference. It'll do nothing to the PvP player. In pvp the skill is useless. In pve trials/vet dungeon content, I think the skill is also useless.
It's a ranged interrupt you can slot on a dw build, although the range is less than crushing shock. That's the main reason I've slotted it on occasion.Edited by kringled_1 on December 30, 2024 11:23PM0 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.
Whats he attacking though? An overland NPC, or an experienced 28-32k armored PvPer with 3k crit resistance? That's gonna make a big difference. It'll do nothing to the PvP player. In pvp the skill is useless. In pve trials/vet dungeon content, I think the skill is also useless.
In PVP Everything I've ever tried is useless. The only success any of my family have has was my brother on a Concealed Weapon Gank build, ganking. Glass Cannon. My only success was a Thews of the Harbinger Block Tank build, rocking shield and ice staff, spell wall on shield bar. I wish we didn't have to double bar Flare and Radiant Magelight (Major Protection {Flare}, Immunity to the stun from sneak attacks {Radiant Magelight}).
He did that against a dungeon boss. Flank strike. I don't remember which one, could even have been veteran.
He had to be using the Vatashran Duel Wield weapons called Executioner's Blade. "Hidden Blade deals up to 250% more damage to targets under 100% Health when you are standing behind them. Restores 1890 Stamina if the target was below 50% Health."
Then again this set seriously buffs the skill, that otherwise is almost useless.2 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.3 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KaironBlackbard wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.
Better that than completely useless like it is currently.
Also, DK Chains will always be better because it's un-dodgeable and gives you Major Berserk.1 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.
Better that than completely useless like it is currently.
Also, DK Chains will always be better because it's un-dodgeable and gives you Major Berserk.
I thought it gave speed boost. I know it gives speed boost. I didn't know it gave damage boost. It's also a taunt.0 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭KaironBlackbard wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.
Is this meant as push back against buffing the skill? Can you explain the relevance of your comment. If it is a push back against buffing the skill, I'm thinking so what if its similair to that DK skill. Race Against Time in the is very similar to Bird of Prey, ZoS has been fine with this since their introduction. I don't see the relevance.1 -
KaironBlackbard✭✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.
Is this meant as push back against buffing the skill? Can you explain the relevance of your comment. If it is a push back against buffing the skill, I'm thinking so what if its similair to that DK skill. Race Against Time in the is very similar to Bird of Prey, ZoS has been fine with this since their introduction. I don't see the relevance.
Do you use it for the purpose of gap closer?
I much prefer the bouncing one honestly.
Also, it's a throwing knife, not a chain knife, conceptually it makes no sense to automatically leap to the target when you throw a knife at them, but it does make sense if you throw the knife and then throw a chain to pull yourself to your knife.
Plus, I bet there are people who ignore the leap portion and only use its first ranged portion.
Does it do more damage to the initial target than the bouncing version? That could be a reason alone to leave it alone, because some people probably use it for single target damage without the leap, as an assassin strike sort of thing. Best paired with NB most likely.0 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Impale is the problem and the fact that it ony starts execute at 25% health. It should start scaling with >50%, because Killer's Blade is fine like that.
I'm going to quote Inigo Montoya on this one. 8-) "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
I'm not referring to Assassin's Blade, Impale, or Killer's Blade. Hidden Blade is a Duel Wield skill.
Yeah, my brother is a dual wield stam NB, hidden blade is ranged (knife throw essentially). He crits a ton and the damage boosts it to around 45k.
I want to say he uses spriggans, but I'm not sure about that toon. I know his DK uses spriggans.
I don't think it's the bouncing morph though.
Whats he attacking though? An overland NPC, or an experienced 28-32k armored PvPer with 3k crit resistance? That's gonna make a big difference. It'll do nothing to the PvP player. In pvp the skill is useless. In pve trials/vet dungeon content, I think the skill is also useless.
In PVE this ability has plenty of uses as a spammable; Shrouded Daggers more specifically. It's an interrupt and it's great for cleave. Up until recently, when they made changes to Surprise Attack, on a NB it was easier to use and more versatile. Now, I think the guaranteed Crit and the 'Sundered' condition make Surprise Attack a lot more appealing, but I would compare it to something like 'Crushing Shock' as far as usefulness and how much easier the animation is to weave into your rotation.
Stam Sorc, as well. If I didn't want to use Crystal Weapon because the animation is clunky, I would be using Shrouded Daggers in dungeon content. This is also coming from someone who doesn't particularly care for 'Rapid Strikes' as an ability, but regardless, I still feel like it has it's niche.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"0 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭KaironBlackbard wrote: »Duke_Falcon wrote: »KaironBlackbard wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »One easy buff would be to allow the gap-close on the first cast.
Two casts is wonky and establishes it as the absolute worst gap-closer in the game. In my opinion, it's unusable.
Then it would be too much like the DK's chain morphed to gap closer.
Is this meant as push back against buffing the skill? Can you explain the relevance of your comment. If it is a push back against buffing the skill, I'm thinking so what if its similair to that DK skill. Race Against Time in the is very similar to Bird of Prey, ZoS has been fine with this since their introduction. I don't see the relevance.
Do you use it for the purpose of gap closer?
I much prefer the bouncing one honestly.
Also, it's a throwing knife, not a chain knife, conceptually it makes no sense to automatically leap to the target when you throw a knife at them, but it does make sense if you throw the knife and then throw a chain to pull yourself to your knife.
Plus, I bet there are people who ignore the leap portion and only use its first ranged portion.
Does it do more damage to the initial target than the bouncing version? That could be a reason alone to leave it alone, because some people probably use it for single target damage without the leap, as an assassin strike sort of thing. Best paired with NB most likely.
I don't use it, I've tired many time to find a use for it. As a gap closer its very very (can't stress that enough) difficult to use, and as a spammable dps skill its way to expensive. To use just as a Brutality/Sorcery Buff, there's just way better options on every class. I find the skill kind of useless, literally. So doing something to make it appealing in builds, I just think is a good idea.Edited by Duke_Falcon on January 22, 2025 10:57PM2 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's like legitimately no defense for the gap-closer morph as being anything remotely close to usable.
Screaming example of a skill that needs a re-work. Which would be easy! Just make the gap-close single-cast. Done!2