Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

25k resistances isn’t much if he was using balorgh/shatteredfate. A 500 ult drop would put them over 17k pen. Any breach status add to that. If he was low health arterial burst is guaranteed crit. Some people use that vampire channel that drains health for spell/weapon damage. Typical gank Nightblade stuff

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Right, but he was 100% crit hits.
I've noticed something about crit chance and actual crit percentage. I rarely get the crit percentage indicated by my crit chance-- 90% of the time it is lower. That is probably due to a defective RNG mechanism

Yep, Spectral Bow regularly hitting harder than most Ultimates is a regular point of discussion.
I remember there was a video discussing this issue and commenting that it was the passives that did it for the nightblade. I just can't be bothered finding it.

It hits harder than "anything" in Cyrodil. Most players have concluded that someone on the dev team prefers NB.

A cold stone trebuchet hit is typically 18k max. Dawnbreaker can go over 10k. Leap hits 5-6k often but is area effect.

ZOS has "never" provided justification for a spell that 1) gives free 300 weapon damage just for light attacking 2) heals you for 50% of the damage done! 3) hits harder than anything else in the game (in PvP).

bladenick wrote: »

Do please try on dummy first, you need at least 45k incap and 50k spectral bow, take all your best dps set and CP, you will soon find this is almost not possible
So how to do this in PVP with battle spirit?

That's just bow out of nowhere, with no incap debuff or any other debuffs on dummy.
In no-proc no-cp (when that was a thing) I've seen squishies with low defenses get hit by up to ~29k with this (literal one shots). Properly built and buffed players were taking something like 18k at best.
This was oakensoul, war maiden, innate axiom and it was a cheap lazy ranged build for no-cp no-proc (that I wasn't playing much), you probably can get higher numbers than this by using something out of the bunch: true sworn, titanborn, archer's mind, gourmand (and balorgh instead of oakensoul). I was thinking even coral riptide might work for big bow procs, but never got to actually try it.


Also on 15k arterial burst. Found some old clip from couple of years ago with titanborn+true sworn, here's one unaware player hit by 17k arterial burst, and buffed up DK mid combat on SnB bar, hit for 13k:

This was before you could keep merciless stacks indefinitely, so wasn't even on my bar. I imagine it would hit for similar numbers to OPs.

Theignson wrote: »

I do think this player used simmering frenzy, since he has very few hp (and dropped dead from like a light attack).

Then it very likely was titan born and true sworn fury build
https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/titanborn-strength
https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/true-sworn-fury
Both have same proc condition as arterial burst guaranteed crit and are very stat dense at below 50%.

Theignson wrote: »

I originally posted, how to get that 20k merciless resolve?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8159775#Comment_8159775

However, this is clearly outmoded. On my warden with 25k resists I got hit with 25,369 spectral bow, plus a 21,802 incap, and a 15,812 arterial burst. These are combat metric verified.

If you want to hit hard in pvp while still being a viable build you really have to do number crunching and understand which stats are useful. I break down stats into 3 tiers from least efficient to most efficient

1. Max stats
2. WD/SD being about 40-50% more damage per 2-4 piece line. Recovery is equivalent to WD/SD.
3. Pen being about 90% more damage than Max stats per 2-4 piece line. %damage bonuses like berserk.

Crit damage can be funky because it may or may not always be efficient. Example being on a nb you have guaranteed crits. On builds with high crit it will be comparable to a %damage buff. Why it can really be strong is that when you crit there is a massive spike in burst. Now adays in the high health burst heal meta it is slightly more important to condense your damage down into short burst. This is why you rarely see pure dot attrition style builds.

So when making a build you really need to prioritize making any choice that can be a tier 3 be a tier 3. Any choice that can be a tier 2 instead of a tier 1, make it tier 2. For example on your mundus you can choose all three tiers. %Crit damage wins against Weapon damage which wins against max stam.

Going more advanced I would suggest making simple build choices first and figure out which order you make choices. For instance Armor enchants are pretty simple, triglyphs are the most efficient. Food wise Hissimir provides the most tier 2 stats while also being cheap.(it is only regen, so your HP pool will be lower..... you can then pick up hp in another trade where it is the most efficient choice......So here you would make your attributes more hp based instead of max stam.) Jewelry enchants are fairly simple as well, weapon damage glyphs are the most efficient.

Really it just points out an underlying issue with the game, where most build choices are pointless and have a clear BIS stat that everyone chooses. Newer players either dont know or havent cared to learn what the most efficient stats are. The majority of players just rely on youtuber to relay meta, even though youtubers typically get info second hand.

there could be other debuffs on you, vulnerability etc and other damage bonuses that don’t show up as stats like essence thief, 25k resist is also kinda nothing in cyrodiil.

i agree that nb has always been busted damage wise and thats due to their many passives.

but its not that unrealistic to get these numbers especially against 25k resist. eso pvp always had cheaters , abusers and cheese & sweaty people. i wouldnt dwell much on it

shezof wrote: »

there could be other debuffs on you, vulnerability etc and other damage bonuses that don’t show up as stats like essence thief, 25k resist is also kinda nothing in cyrodiil.

i agree that nb has always been busted damage wise and thats due to their many passives.

but its not that unrealistic to get these numbers especially against 25k resist. eso pvp always had cheaters , abusers and cheese & sweaty people. i wouldnt dwell much on it

Nah this was a gank, no other debuffs. Also, 25k resists is ~38% damage mitigation. It isn't nothing; 33k resists is 50% damage mitigation. This much of the old calculations I remember.

My post is about trying to replicate these astronomical numbers on my own NB, I have a fair amount of experience, I am not great but not terrible.

This is all supposed to mathematics. There used to be posts with pages and pages of numbers and calculations. I would like someone to show how, by raising my numbers or any other means, I could get from where I am to these astronomically high hits.

I don't think anyone can show that