Invisibility Rework?

Avran_Sylt · December 17

Always thought it was odd that in PvP Invisibility could mean: fights over from a single button press even if the invisible person decides to sit inside your player model, unless you have some sort of AoE (because you can’t use single target abilities to attack where you think they might be)

In preparation for whenever they add invisibility to scribing I’d like to suggest a rework to how Invisibility is handled:

It’s enhanced stealth.

Using an invisibility skill Instantly enters you into the stealth state, and reduces your detection radius in stealth by 9m. Causes all direct damage attacks against you to miss for the next second.

Being in combat increases the radius you can be detected in stealth by 12m. (Passive modifier)

So now, if you try to enter stealth in melee range, it acts as a dodge, but you don’t get off Scott-free.

But against ranged, stealth is a good disengage tool.

It might also add another layer into how you create a build with stealth as a defensive layer when considering stealth detection radius modifiers.

Artim_X · December 21

Invisibility is fine. This is an Elder Scrolls game and proper Invisibility exists in The Elder Scrolls. There are plenty of counters to invisibility so no change is needed.

Avran_Sylt · December 21

Artim_X wrote: »

Invisibility is fine. This is an Elder Scrolls game and proper Invisibility exists in The Elder Scrolls. There are plenty of counters to invisibility so no change is needed.

Was thinking that in PvE it could work more like regular invisibility, but in PvP it’d work more like chameleon, in a sense. Better at a distance.

Perhaps a bit entitled of me given I can already use it as a NB, but not going to be too thrilled if it becomes easily useable through scribing necessitating even more detect pots or the need to slot a a detect life scribing skill if it becomes too common. My bar space is limited enough as it is that it’d be nice if there were some basic counter if you’re able to guess their movement or stick to em.

moosegod · December 23

Have you ever used a detect potion in PvP? It increases your detection range by 20m and will see invisible players through that radius. Most classes also have AoE skills they can use if they can predict the cloaked player's path. DK has fiery breath, NB can use drain energy, Sorcs can streak, etc. There are plenty of counters, especially in melee distance.

Yeah we will prob see invisibility in scribing since they already gave it to everyone through the vampire passives.

Avran_Sylt · December 24

moosegod wrote: »

Have you ever used a detect potion in PvP? It increases your detection range by 20m and will see invisible players through that radius. Most classes also have AoE skills they can use if they can predict the cloaked player's path. DK has fiery breath, NB can use drain energy, Sorcs can streak, etc. There are plenty of counters, especially in melee distance.

Yeah we will prob see invisibility in scribing since they already gave it to everyone through the vampire passives.

I don't but that's because I'm against the idea of such a fundamental counter/mechanic being gated behind a potion which can potentially be prohibitively expensive for new/casual players

(I also detest you can be invisible and use this potion to reveal all nearby invisible players while remaining invisible yourself).

It also increases stealth detection radius by 43.5m, not 20m.

My build, a bit skill-gimped using Oakensoul, doesn't have any non-targeted AoE. So I can't even try to predict where a player is to try to hit them, because game mechanics don't allow you to target invisible player with single-target abilities.