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Rush of Agony
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This set ruins PVP for tons of people ... The utility is absolutely insane CC without immunity is destructive! Something pulls everyone together and does damage is insane. This set can pull people way outside it parameters due to lag. I have been pulled through walls and doors. This set has been a plague in PVP for long enough. Combat in this game is becoming proximity combat and using any type of skill with skills is something of yesteryear. The Combat system is something that made PVP awesome in this game, why have we turned it into Pull BOMB ... Pull Bomb is this the gameplay that you want?
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JustLovely✭✭✭✭✭Free pull sets simply shouldn't exist in a PvP situation. Anything that moves another players location on the map should take up a skill slot and cost resources to use. #NoFreePulls10 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Make massive damage from scaling based on people close together to discourage stacking.
Make sets that then stacks players together. Even better if the pull can happen multiple times on a target, pulling them from a very long range.
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Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »Free pull sets simply shouldn't exist in a PvP situation. Anything that moves another players location on the map should take up a skill slot and cost resources to use. #NoFreePulls
I mean, it technically does...You do need to slot s Gap closer, which does cost resources. Aside from DK chains and Templar charge, the rest are very finicky skills that often require multiple presses to active (mostly due to lag).
However, I think 95% of the PVP population right now all agree that RoA should not be the exception to CC immunity rules. Also, IMO the radius needs to be reduced down to 6 meters from the path of travel and limited to only 8 meters from the actual point of impact, as this is not a static ground effect like Dark Convergence, or static AOE from the Scribing Pull skill.0 -
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✭I will say I absolutely adore this set for Pug tanking.
Can gtfo in PvP though.TechMaybeHic wrote: »Make massive damage from scaling based on people close together to discourage stacking.
Make sets that then stacks players together. Even better if the pull can happen multiple times on a target, pulling them from a very long range.
Hmm
I don't like how ZoS design philosophy for cross-healing or heal stacking is: Well you can kill them all only if they're disorganized, and it'll generally be all or nothing to kill the majority of the ball.0 -
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✭El_Borracho wrote: »Oh..... this again. Yay.
It's not a dead horse when the horse is alive!PVP DEADWAIT
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✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Oh..... this again. Yay.
It's not a dead horse when the horse is alive!
There are already multiple threads moaning about this set, for months on end, but okayEdited by El_Borracho on December 17, 2024 4:43PM0 -
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✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »Oh..... this again. Yay.
It's not a dead horse when the horse is alive!
There are already multiple threads moaning about this set, for months on end, but okay
and despite those threads, nothing has been done at all about this set for months on end, yet 1 single thread pops up about azureblight and the set is deleted from PvP entirely, going against the wishes of the majority, but okay6 -
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✭✭✭Turtle_Bot wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »Oh..... this again. Yay.
It's not a dead horse when the horse is alive!
There are already multiple threads moaning about this set, for months on end, but okay
and despite those threads, nothing has been done at all about this set for months on end, yet 1 single thread pops up about azureblight and the set is deleted from PvP entirely, going against the wishes of the majority, but okay
One thread. OOOO-KAY.
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CatoUnchained✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »Oh..... this again. Yay.
It's not a dead horse when the horse is alive!
There are already multiple threads moaning about this set, for months on end, but okay
And these posts should continue until the problem is fixed.8 -
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✭Last night we had a fight it was awsome there was 6 of us. 12+ from another guild came in the fight lasted around 4 minutes, and took place from the inner door to about 100 meters outside the keep. We had to target, assist, and look for healers.
If we were running Rush of Agony the battle would have ended in less than 15 secs. So much more fun to actually target and assist.
PULL BOMB is just boring PVP Yeah you make a ton of PVP, and currently the most efficient tactic, but you do not know who you kill. Running this set feels like pushing a mower in my front yard!PVP DEADWAIT
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ercknn✭✭It’s always a good laugh when I 1vX a couple from the Zerg;Comp and then groups chase me across the map spamming this.
The picture is usually nb spamming ambush, negate sorcs using this on bolt escape along with negating me, all while their 3 40+k healers spam polar as soon as I do any damage. Sometimes I still manage to escape…sometimes
I wonder what those players would use without this set. Guess we will never know since it’s never getting nerfed.0 -
RaidingTraiding✭✭✭I like how their "nerf" actually turned out to be a buff. After the change I have started getting a ton more egregious pulls. Pulls that are way over 12m, many times outside camera range probably well over 20m at times; pulled through walls, pulled from different floors, and pulled back on top of buildings or cliffs that i jump off of. Also it feels like I'm getting desynced, I'll be dead mid pull from the next continent and on my recap i have plagues and vds that are happening way away from me, pretty annoying.
Conversely when I run rush in a group it feels unfair and like i turned on ez mode. nothing about it feels balanced at all, feels like I'm cheating. the delay also is better to line up a damage combo, i can now throw in contingency right before they get pulled so when they do get pulled i have that going off with power extraction for more unavoidable damage. that or i fear immediately or someone else drops a dc on the stack for a double pull. Plus you get free damage from that set. Comparable to old vd numbers. Very hard to counter. And like how I get pulled from way outside of range, when I pull people I always get surprise pulls from players I didn't even know were there cause they were so far away. It's pretty comical seeing how far people get pulled, it's so ridiculous it's hard to take the game seriously anymore. No cc immunity and the fact that it's been that way for years is so baffling. It takes so long for people to get out of the center of the pull just because you can throw so many ccs on top of it, and if you stagger them slightly theres no chance of surviving or escaping, especially with delayed break frees when performance is sub par.
Personally the best course to take would be to disable it in pvp. That won't likely happen so the next best thing would be to take away the damage and make it give immunity, and probably should drastically decrease pull range. Tying damage to any pull is really unbalanced and overpowered. You already can lock people down for a huge burst window, you don't need to give free damage on top of it. Who am I kidding that won't happen either, it's been years this set has been this broken. We all know the dev team is completely out of touch with the game. The only time these comments will get read is by moderators lol. Pretty sad to see.Edited by RaidingTraiding on December 20, 2024 5:31PM3 -
DeadlySerious✭✭✭The radius should be cut in half for this set, and it should apply CC immunity.
Free pull sets are just bad game design to begin with, but they could at least reduce the toxicity of the set to some degree if they won't take it out of the game. By toxicity I mean that during lag RoA might pull you 30 meters or more. That's just plain toxic OP at least in appearance during heavy game play.5 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭As far as I can tell, ZOS doesn't care
There have been hundreds of posts about this from even the most respected streamers
This is related to the God Mode problem the game has now.
The ball groups (who ALL use RoA) can build extremely tanky yet with RoA plus Northern storm and Dawnbreaker they still have tons of fire power.
Unkillable with unlimited fire power == god mode, broken game3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP1 -
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✭✭Adding a new damage proc AOE tied to ground effect so probably just going to be worse1 -
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✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »Adding a new damage proc AOE tied to ground effect so probably just going to be worse
first thing I thought about when I saw the new sets was combining them with RoA (using stampede since it is both a gap closer and leaves an AoE on the ground) or with dark convergence since that set also procs off leaving AoE on the ground.
If the tooltips are any sort of strong (which I'm guessing is likely to make them useful in PvE) it's going to be an absolute disaster in PvP since those new sets have the same delay as both mass pull sets (especially the monster set that allows to still run a 5 piece back bar defensive set and not be a complete glass cannon...)1 -
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✭✭I think it would be hilarious if ZOS created a set that had a trait something along the lines of "if another player moves your location using a pull, chain or knockback player leaves a bomb on the ground that explodes for 45k oblivion damage. This damage is unblockable and unmitigatable."
That way when we get pulled and blow up, so does the group that did the pulling.
Edited by SaffronCitrusflower on January 13, 2025 2:25AM3 -
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✭✭Turtle_Bot wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Adding a new damage proc AOE tied to ground effect so probably just going to be worse
first thing I thought about when I saw the new sets was combining them with RoA (using stampede since it is both a gap closer and leaves an AoE on the ground) or with dark convergence since that set also procs off leaving AoE on the ground.
If the tooltips are any sort of strong (which I'm guessing is likely to make them useful in PvE) it's going to be an absolute disaster in PvP since those new sets have the same delay as both mass pull sets (especially the monster set that allows to still run a 5 piece back bar defensive set and not be a complete glass cannon...)
Don't worry. It won't make the cut in the future Cyrodiil templates.
Think I'm just more calm about all of it these days, because Cyrodiil is already a walking corpse that's been mutilated2 -
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✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Adding a new damage proc AOE tied to ground effect so probably just going to be worse
first thing I thought about when I saw the new sets was combining them with RoA (using stampede since it is both a gap closer and leaves an AoE on the ground) or with dark convergence since that set also procs off leaving AoE on the ground.
If the tooltips are any sort of strong (which I'm guessing is likely to make them useful in PvE) it's going to be an absolute disaster in PvP since those new sets have the same delay as both mass pull sets (especially the monster set that allows to still run a 5 piece back bar defensive set and not be a complete glass cannon...)
Don't worry. It won't make the cut in the future Cyrodiil templates.
Think I'm just more calm about all of it these days, because Cyrodiil is already a walking corpse that's been mutilated
I'm not fussed either way about it, was just pointing out that was the first interaction I thought of when reading the sets.0
