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Cleansing Revival blue cp disables dot builds from ever being viable
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a single slotable cp shouldn't just nullify an entire playstyle. Loosing all kill pressure that you had with dots every 24 seconds because they had to give up soo much to deny dots builds from ever being able to kill them with 1 whole slotable blue cp. It needs a much longer CD with battle spirit or increase in length with more conditions purged so the same effect but more of a once per fight vs dot builds rather than anytime you would have otherwise died making dot builds forever irrelevant. or even limit the amount of conditions removed so its not a get out of jail free
Or just add a similar cp point options for vs direct damage like upon taking damage under 25% heal to full with the same 24 sec cooldown, should be really fun for burst builds to only have a 24 second window to kill someone twice over
Or just add a similar cp point options for vs direct damage like upon taking damage under 25% heal to full with the same 24 sec cooldown, should be really fun for burst builds to only have a 24 second window to kill someone twice over
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✭✭✭You need to be below 25% HP to proc it. If you can't execute someone at 25% HP then I think it's more of a your build issue than Cleanse CP. DoTs are oppressive as it is and when combined with Jerall and Major/Minor Defile it makes it impossible to survive against pressure builds. Cleanse CP is one of the few decent counters that every class can use, and should stay that way.Platform:
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Zallion✭✭Pure dot builds won’t ever have enough pressure even without this cp, they just don’t work like they used to. Healing is too strong and there is plenty of other cleanses in the game. 24 seconds is a looong time, and 25% hp is well into execute range making the reward well worth the risk imo, whether or not you intentionally or unintentionally drop that low for the cleanse.
Completely balanced cp.2 -
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From running full pressure builds in CP Cyro for a very long time, I can agree that the blue Cleansing CP is not a big deal, I'm only getting stalemated by players who aren't playing for kills in the first place. For the first time in a while I can say that pressure builds are pretty well balanced in Cyro and BGs, not remotely oppressive in those environments. Dueling is its own world and you have custom rulesets to take care of things like Jerall cheese.StaticWave wrote: »You need to be below 25% HP to proc it. If you can't execute someone at 25% HP then I think it's more of a your build issue than Cleanse CP. DoTs are oppressive as it isPC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps0 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭a single slotable cp shouldn't just nullify an entire playstyle. Loosing all kill pressure that you had with dots every 24 seconds because they had to give up soo much to deny dots builds from ever being able to kill them with 1 whole slotable blue cp. It needs a much longer CD with battle spirit or increase in length with more conditions purged so the same effect but more of a once per fight vs dot builds rather than anytime you would have otherwise died making dot builds forever irrelevant. or even limit the amount of conditions removed so its not a get out of jail free
Or just add a similar cp point options for vs direct damage like upon taking damage under 25% heal to full with the same 24 sec cooldown, should be really fun for burst builds to only have a 24 second window to kill someone twice over
What there's a CP star that cleanses? Never noticed. Doesn't sound like a star I would choose over other options though.
Templar has a cleanse skill, so does Necro. Theres a cleanse on the PvP support skill line that anybody can use. Mara's balm set cleanses. And there's a signature script for scribing that cleanses 1 effect.
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✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »
From running full pressure builds in CP Cyro for a very long time, I can agree that the blue Cleansing CP is not a big deal, I'm only getting stalemated by players who aren't playing for kills in the first place. For the first time in a while I can say that pressure builds are pretty well balanced in Cyro and BGs, not remotely oppressive in those environments. Dueling is its own world and you have custom rulesets to take care of things like Jerall cheese.StaticWave wrote: »You need to be below 25% HP to proc it. If you can't execute someone at 25% HP then I think it's more of a your build issue than Cleanse CP. DoTs are oppressive as it is
It only requires 1 person with Jerall and Major Defile to completely shut you down though. When I 1vX, I can generally survive pretty well until someone enters the fight with Jerall or Major Defile. I can maybe survive for another 15-20s, but after Jerall reaches full stacks it's almost impossible to live without having some form of FULL cleanse. Not even Extended Ritual can save you at that point, especially when you have this many debuffs on you:
This is why sets like Mara's Balm or Wyrd Tree are so potent for Cyrodiil. You don't need to cleanse a lot. You just need to cleanse the right debuffs, and those debuffs tend to be mixed with 8+ other debuffs, making it almost impossible to target the actual debuffs you want to remove. Cleanse CP is one of the few options that allow you to do that, and it comes at a great condition (<25% HP to proc it). If you get to 25% HP with 6+ people on you, then chances are you will die anyway, making it a balanced CP. Now if we're talking about the bugged version where it can proc at full HP, then I agree it's busted, but the current version is balanced and needed to keep this debuff stacking game in check.
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If the Jeralls player is good. If they're not, you can easily LoS around to dump their stacks, or kill them first. I'm sure you and I have both fought against the MagSorc streamer that runs Jeralls, if they're with decent players yeah run away, but if they're with random scrubs I can LoS around and pick off the weaker ones before going after the Sorc.StaticWave wrote: »It only requires 1 person with Jerall and Major Defile to completely shut you down though. When I 1vXPC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps0 -
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✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »
If the Jeralls player is good. If they're not, you can easily LoS around to dump their stacks, or kill them first. I'm sure you and I have both fought against the MagSorc streamer that runs Jeralls, if they're with decent players yeah run away, but if they're with random scrubs I can LoS around and pick off the weaker ones before going after the Sorc.StaticWave wrote: »It only requires 1 person with Jerall and Major Defile to completely shut you down though. When I 1vX
Not if they run more than 1 sticky DoTs. That strategy only works on a build with zero sticky DoTs. Even a build with zero DoTs will most likely still have Ele Sus, which is guaranteed to keep Jerall up until Ele Sus expires.Platform:
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