What is the point of an ability like the Apocryphal Gate?

Hygiliack · October 13

Like seriously, it has no point in combat, does not give you any sort of advance or good buffs, and worse, you can't use it to explore, IIRC it was said that you could use it to reach places, but it is not possible, no matter what I try, cannot reach high areas, cannot bridge gaps, cannot do ANYTHING but put it a few steps away from you and that is it, then what is the point if you always get the "cannot place it there" message -_-?

tomofhyrule · October 13

Some things have niche uses.

I've gotten use out of it to get out of Immolation Traps in Scrivener's, to cheese the puzzles in Graven Deep, and to bait Yaselya's Fire Bombs way out of the way in Sanity's. I also see people using it to help speed their friends along (or troll their friends as well).

But it's also fun. Sure, if you're actually doing stuff, it's mostly a waste of space outside of a few niche uses, but that doesn't mean you have to be in 'for srs' mode 100% of the time. I like having fun sometimes.

SteveCampsOut · October 13

Hygiliack wrote: »

Like seriously, it has no point in combat, does not give you any sort of advance or good buffs, and worse, you can't use it to explore, IIRC it was said that you could use it to reach places, but it is not possible, no matter what I try, cannot reach high areas, cannot bridge gaps, cannot do ANYTHING but put it a few steps away from you and that is it, then what is the point if you always get the "cannot place it there" message -_-?

It certainly can be used as a gap closer, ledge jumping in IC for one to get to hard to reach places to snipe from.

Sleepsin · October 13

In Cryodiil, it certainly does allow you to get to places that you couldn't before.

LittlePinkDot · October 13

The only use I've found for it is in Vatesharan hollows. You can teleport past the DPS check on the final boss.

CGPsaint · October 13

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Some things have niche uses.

I've gotten use out of it to get out of Immolation Traps in Scrivener's

Seriously? That works???

Jaimeh · October 13

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Some things have niche uses.

I've gotten use out of it to get out of Immolation Traps in Scrivener's, to cheese the puzzles in Graven Deep, and to bait Yaselya's Fire Bombs way out of the way in Sanity's. I also see people using it to help speed their friends along (or troll their friends as well)

These are really cool uses!

OtarTheMad · October 13

If you play around with it then you’d see it has some uses. I wish it was faster though.

I use it to get by heavily defended front doors of a keep or wall in Cyrodiil. You can also dodge roll through it so that helps. Once I went through the portal and a player thought they were gonna get me on the other side but I just ported back through and then jumped off the wall and they couldn’t find me.

It can be fun. The delay kind of sucks tho like I said.

Toanis · October 14

Compared to Mist Form or any charge ability, Apocryphal Gate is pretty useless, you can only gate to places you could walk to within the ability's radius, and while that allows you to cheese some mechanics, the other abilities are much more flexible.

Guess they neutered the ability to prevent arcanists from porting their whole team on a keep wall.

Aggrovious · October 14

You have to be on flat land for it to work properly. Just allow the player to portal from the top to the bottom. Why can't we do that with a PORTAL?

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 14

It was originally advertised as being able to allow you to traverse up cliffs but they scrapped it leaving us with a mostly useless skill.

Don't know why they scrapped it, sure it let them do things other classes could not but that is what Vampire Mist Form could of been for, allow all classes to traverse like an Arcanist could.

LittlePinkDot · October 14

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It was originally advertised as being able to allow you to traverse up cliffs but they scrapped it leaving us with a mostly useless skill.

Don't know why they scrapped it, sure it let them do things other classes could not but that is what Vampire Mist Form could of been for, allow all classes to traverse like an Arcanist could.

It was nerfed at launch precisely because of what somebody already mentioned above. You could teleport up to keep walls, bypassing how the game was meant to be played. Probably could teleport over slaughter fish waters too. You're supposed to need bridges to cross the water in Cyrodiil.

I wish they would at least make it a one button click like streak. You shouldn't have to select a spot on the ground.
When you click the button the portal should open and your character should go through automatically. The portal should just be an animation

zaria · October 14

OtarTheMad wrote: »

If you play around with it then you’d see it has some uses. I wish it was faster though.

I use it to get by heavily defended front doors of a keep or wall in Cyrodiil. You can also dodge roll through it so that helps. Once I went through the portal and a player thought they were gonna get me on the other side but I just ported back through and then jumped off the wall and they couldn’t find me.

It can be fun. The delay kind of sucks tho like I said.

Note the group can use it at least with one morph. Its like sorc streak but that is faster and have more utility.

RoseTheSnowElf · October 14

It takes some getting used to, but I love it.

I've used it in Cyro to get out of dark con bombs, through killboxes in doorways. Away from ball groups chasing me.
I use the one allies can use, and when we're on foot and stuck in combat, I'm ahead putting down portals and they can keep up with me. Generates crux then, too. Spend my crux while stuck in combat running to generate ult. I find it very useful.

ZoS, please... please do not change this ability. It's very fun and useful.
My only complaint, my allies find that the synergy isn't always available, idk why. And yeah, a tiny little bump on the terrain won't let me throw a portal down. Fine tune this and it's a great ability.

Tommy_The_Gun · October 14

Every decent use case for abilities like this (Apocryphal Gate & Shadow Image) has been patched over the years. So it is for example not allowed to be used in some places, or Shadow Image can no longer be used to "get un-stuck" due to a bug etc. While Shadow Image can be technically used in combat to reposition (if the shade is not camped which 90% of times it is) Apocryphal Gate I think has a group morph which allows allies to use it too, so I guess something like this can be very handy.

LittlePinkDot · October 14

RoseTheSnowElf wrote: »

It takes some getting used to, but I love it.

I've used it in Cyro to get out of dark con bombs, through killboxes in doorways. Away from ball groups chasing me.
I use the one allies can use, and when we're on foot and stuck in combat, I'm ahead putting down portals and they can keep up with me. Generates crux then, too. Spend my crux while stuck in combat running to generate ult. I find it very useful.

ZoS, please... please do not change this ability. It's very fun and useful.
My only complaint, my allies find that the synergy isn't always available, idk why. And yeah, a tiny little bump on the terrain won't let me throw a portal down. Fine tune this and it's a great ability.

What is your build? How do you even have the bar space for apocryphal gate in PvP?

I only just recently was able to get major savagery back by switching from flail/runeblades to soul wield with class mastery script for crux generation and major savagery affix script. Before that I had to choose between rune of the colourless pool stun or camo hunter for major savagery. This has fixed my front bar. But I still don't have space for apocryphal gate on my back bar either. You need 2 heals slotted. Inspired scholarship for major brutality, weakness to elements for major breach and cruxweaver armour.
That's all 5 slots taken right there.

IncultaWolf · October 14

It was used to hype the new dlc class, from the trailers.

At one point I remember everyone thinking it was going to break cyrodiil and be overpowered.

It's just a reskin of Warden's frozen gate.

RoseTheSnowElf · October 14

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

What is your build? How do you even have the bar space for apocryphal gate in PvP?

I only just recently was able to get major savagery back by switching from flail/runeblades to soul wield with class mastery script for crux generation and major savagery affix script. Before that I had to choose between rune of the colourless pool stun or camo hunter for major savagery. This has fixed my front bar. But I still don't have space for apocryphal gate on my back bar either. You need 2 heals slotted. Inspired scholarship for major brutality, weakness to elements for major breach and cruxweaver armour.
That's all 5 slots taken right there.

I'm not a dps, I'm a healer. Front bar all arc and resto heals with the arc ground ring, Zenas' Empowering Disc, for regen and dmg buff to all who run through it and Glyphic of the Tides ult (which admittedly I don't use as much as I would like).

Back bar flame staff with 2 arc shields (Cruxweaver Armor, Runeguard of Still Waters) the gate, crushing shock for interrupt and the flame staff knock back ability, and Gibbering Shelter for ult. (Shields for everybody!)

I love to brawl, too. So I built her tanky enough to be able to but still throw out decent heals. Can only really kill the squishist of players on my own. But I'm cool with that.

It's not traditional, but it works for me. I have fun with it.

Hygiliack · October 15

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Hygiliack wrote: »

Like seriously, it has no point in combat, does not give you any sort of advance or good buffs, and worse, you can't use it to explore, IIRC it was said that you could use it to reach places, but it is not possible, no matter what I try, cannot reach high areas, cannot bridge gaps, cannot do ANYTHING but put it a few steps away from you and that is it, then what is the point if you always get the "cannot place it there" message -_-?

It certainly can be used as a gap closer, ledge jumping in IC for one to get to hard to reach places to snipe from.

That is the thing, I have tried what you mention, reaching hard to reach places, and so far all I get is that it is not a valid location

pklemming · October 15

Speedy gate in vRG HM Bahsei for closing portals, pretty much the only time I slot it.

xXCJsniperXx7 · October 15

The portals let you bypass wall mechanics. Like thurvokuns ghost wall and aurorans in malatar.

Edit: unless this was patched at some point.

OsUfi · October 15

Fun. Zip bloorp zapow.

Elendir2am · October 15

It is useful for trials tank. They can get ahead of group to stack trash before DDs arrive (speedrun).
It can be also useful for some trial mechanics:

Main Tank in fight with Exarchanic Yaseyla, the first boss of Sanity's Edge. Stacking and avoiding fire bombs.
Healer kiter in fight with Oaxiltso, first real boss in Rockgrove. Avoiding to charge attack and shorting its distance.

I am sure there are other mechanics in trials, where it is useful.

Hygiliack · October 16

xXCJsniperXx7 wrote: »

The portals let you bypass wall mechanics. Like thurvokuns ghost wall and aurorans in malatar.

Edit: unless this was patched at some point.

That I had not even considered, had I read this before, I'd've used it in the Depths of Malatar last boss, I died 2 times there as a healer... the shame!

sarahthes · October 16

You can skip Lokke beam with it in vSS HM and not get the dot at all.