Solo Queue and Group Queue Should Stay Separate

Decimus · September 12

Hello!

Just providing some feedback on this since I know where things are headed...

There should be two separate queues (for both 4v4 and 8v8), just as it works on Live, as there is a very good reason why the queues were separated in the first place many years ago.

Some of you may remember the time when there was only one battleground queue... of seeing a full premade in the opponent team and every solo player/duo just promptly leaving the battleground and taking the deserter penalty because there is zero point in fighting fully coordinated buff sets (which effectively more than double the "stats" you're fighting against), crossheals and 3 2 1 ulti dumps.

Having a mixed group and solo queue also allows for "people" to gang up to streamsnipe streamers who happen to be solo queueing. So far battlegrounds have been a welcome respite from that sort of behaviour which goes unchecked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City... but not having a separate solo queue threatens to take that away.

So yes, I for one would like to keep the option available of queueing into solo battlegrounds when I don't have 3 other people to invite who have the required buff sets and 50k health wardens with polar winds.

It is also very important for the longevity of battlegrounds that players newer to PvP can enjoy the 8v8 mode without having to face these 4-man groups that are just looking for easy kills.

Population or queue times with separate solo/group queues (just like on Live) should not be an issue in the more fun team vs team format, especially with new rewards and ratings/leaderboards.

Pelanora · September 12

So you mean ui choices of
4x4
-solo
-group

8v8
-solo
-group

That makes sense. I'd like to know if I'm wandering into a potential killing field of other wanderers, vs organized gangs ready to go.....

VixxVexx · September 12

3 seperate queues, not 4. But good take mister streamer.

We do not need 4-man premades in an 8v8 setting that has no MMR-system in place.

Jsmalls · September 12

I agree that this is an issue.

I think the concern is population.

By having one que for each that will fix the que times (temporarily).

If you spread out these modes into 3-4 different ques we'd likely see exactly what we are seeing now. And that's medium to long que times for solo and LONG que times for Group BGs.

And we only have 2 different ques currently so increasing this will only make things worse.

So I entirely agree that the open ques are going to be a problem. But I understand why they are targeting it this way.

It really comes down to how many organized groups end up participating. If it's 5-10% of the players queuing we'll... It's sucks for those matches but 90% of the matches are going well.

I'm definitely at an impass with this.

I want to que and be playing a game in less than 3-5 minutes.

But I also want the content to prosper for longer than the time it takes for players to get the collectibles.

Moonspawn · September 12

What do you think about my idea:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/665468/suggestion-optimal-queue-system-for-upcoming-battlegrounds/p1

elijah12 · September 12

How about just lock 4v4s to premade groups and let 8v8 be solo pickup but no premade groups because I feel like allowing premade sweats in 8v8 would be bad for the bg population. PvER’s wouldn’t want to play in a game mode where they get absolutely demolished by sweats every single game. ZOS has time to make this right. Hopefully they make the right decision. Copium.

xDeusEJRx · September 12

elijah12 wrote: »

How about just lock 4v4s to premade groups and let 8v8 be solo pickup but no premade groups because I feel like allowing premade sweats in 8v8 would be bad for the bg population. PvER’s wouldn’t want to play in a game mode where they get absolutely demolished by sweats every single game. ZOS has time to make this right. Hopefully they make the right decision. Copium.

They should allow solo's to queue into 4v4. Personally I would rather queue into sweaty 4v4 because for me BG is my build testing grounds and i wanna test against the sweaty players, not get put into 8v8 with total noobs and pug stomp. I wanna have fun and get a good read of my build, and being put in no MMR is gonna not be that fun to be honest.

I think they should rather include MMR into 8v8, change MMR to better reflect win-rate and not medal score so the people always winning get paired up against each other. But make a checkbox to allow yourself to be thrown into the mix, don't pull people who don't want to be in group queue. Will better stop smurfing, but not completely but I think it's a better alternative to stop people queueing into what queue they want to

React · September 12

I think the best solution is to make it 3 separate queues.

Solo 4v4 (with MMR and leaderboard)
Group 4v4 (with MMR and leaderboard)
Group 8v8 (no MMR, max group size of 2, no leaderboard)

Like many others (and I'm sure zenimax as well), the concern is population and queue times. If they split it too heavily, it might become borderline unplayable within a few months once people have gotten the rewards they want.

This format would allow for 4 man premade groups to queue up in an environment where they'll mostly fight similar groups, it would allow solo players to queue and receive a fair and competitive environment against other solo queue players, and it would allow for you to queue up with a friend for casual 8v8, but would prevent organized 4 man groups from queueing into 0 MMR 8v8 and stomping entire lobbies.

3 queues is probably more sustainable than 4 queues. I'd much rather see 4, but don't want to be waiting 15+ minutes to get into a BG a month or two from now.

Jierdanit · September 12

elijah12 wrote: »

How about just lock 4v4s to premade groups and let 8v8 be solo pickup but no premade groups because I feel like allowing premade sweats in 8v8 would be bad for the bg population. PvER’s wouldn’t want to play in a game mode where they get absolutely demolished by sweats every single game. ZOS has time to make this right. Hopefully they make the right decision. Copium.

No thanks I'd like to be able to play competitive BGs without being forced into the boring garbage that is organized group PvP.

Decimus · September 12

I believe it's also worth pointing out that there is an addon that allows queueing for both solo and group queue at the same time - I used to utilize this a lot when solo queueing before I got fed up with the 4-man premades.

Since the capability to queue into multiple different types of BGs already exists, I believe this is something ZOS should make a base game feature if solo and group queues were to stay separate.

flintlenain · September 12

100% bg player here and i agree with decimus 4 man premade on discord with healer and 3-2-1 ulti drop with pull set and bombing will Ruin Every Solo Player fun in bgs. ppl will leave at the beginning of the match because theres no fighting chance. plz do not allow group higher than 2 player to join bgs plz. Zos should look at the data they have. the vast majority of bg player are solo player and they will stop doing bgs if they get smashed by premade everyday

divnyi · September 13

Decimus wrote: »

Since the capability to queue into multiple different types of BGs already exists, I believe this is something ZOS should make a base game feature if solo and group queues were to stay separate.

^ this.

It is already a thing for dungeons, the UI with checkboxes is already there.

Splitting BG modes into checkboxes and letting players decide what they want to play and what they want to avoid is long overdue. While it's not something they can just patch on top of existing new feature, it's a thing they should prioritize right after this feature.

Mrk · September 15

Decimus wrote: »

Hello!

Just providing some feedback on this since I know where things are headed...

There should be two separate queues (for both 4v4 and 8v8), just as it works on Live, as there is a very good reason why the queues were separated in the first place many years ago.

Some of you may remember the time when there was only one battleground queue... of seeing a full premade in the opponent team and every solo player/duo just promptly leaving the battleground and taking the deserter penalty because there is zero point in fighting fully coordinated buff sets (which effectively more than double the "stats" you're fighting against), crossheals and 3 2 1 ulti dumps.

Having a mixed group and solo queue also allows for "people" to gang up to streamsnipe streamers who happen to be solo queueing. So far battlegrounds have been a welcome respite from that sort of behaviour which goes unchecked in Cyrodiil/Imperial City... but not having a separate solo queue threatens to take that away.

So yes, I for one would like to keep the option available of queueing into solo battlegrounds when I don't have 3 other people to invite who have the required buff sets and 50k health wardens with polar winds.

It is also very important for the longevity of battlegrounds that players newer to PvP can enjoy the 8v8 mode without having to face these 4-man groups that are just looking for easy kills.

Population or queue times with separate solo/group queues (just like on Live) should not be an issue in the more fun team vs team format, especially with new rewards and ratings/leaderboards.

flintlenain wrote: »

100% bg player here and i agree with decimus 4 man premade on discord with healer and 3-2-1 ulti drop with pull set and bombing will Ruin Every Solo Player fun in bgs. ppl will leave at the beginning of the match because theres no fighting chance. plz do not allow group higher than 2 player to join bgs plz. Zos should look at the data they have. the vast majority of bg player are solo player and they will stop doing bgs if they get smashed by premade everyday

Agree with everything.