Can we do endless archive with 4 men group dungeon style?

AvalonRanger · November 2023

Can we do "endless archive" with 4 men group dungeon style?

Or only duo contents?

First 30 min, it looks like boring combat. There're just many of weak enemy and boss.
At a first glance, I thought that was easy contents. Just 20 trash mobs is not enemy for my tank.

Easy...not so scary dungeon.

...Easy?...But..1 hour later....

Endless Archive made us milk drinker.
How can I save DD from such a crazy monster? (Something crystal sword boss). We were killed. Good bye.

We need healer...please.

Vynera · November 2023

Enless archive can only be done solo or duo.

Both players need to adjust their builds, you cant go in as a full tank nor the DD can go in with a 20k hp glass cannon build for max damage. On my DD a ~30k health pool with 28-30k resi + damage shield was kinda okay, at later arcs (when i had the pen visions) i switched to a heavy armor set paired with a medium set + pale order to get max resi with buffs and decent self heal.

My highest arc was 11, and I didnt feel like i would need a healer. Selfheal and some defensive setup was more then enough.

Soarora · November 2023

You do not need a healer. The name of the game is resistances, self healing, doing mechanics, and visions/verses.

In terms of Tho’at (I assume that’s the boss you mean) it depends which arc you were on. The person you just need to block or roll dodge her heavy. On tank I could stand in her aoes, on dps I could not.

The arc 2 addition just move out of the way. Arc 3 addition dodge roll the aoe. Arc 4 addition, move around and block. For arc 3+ definitely bash the globs.

Amottica · November 2023

Vynera wrote: »

Both players need to adjust their builds

This is it.

The game has an intended design where we blur the traditional roles.

AvalonRanger · November 2023

Vynera wrote: »

Enless archive can only be done solo or duo.

Both players need to adjust their builds, you cant go in as a full tank nor the DD can go in with a 20k hp glass cannon build for max damage. On my DD a ~30k health pool with 28-30k resi + damage shield was kinda okay, at later arcs (when i had the pen visions) i switched to a heavy armor set paired with a medium set + pale order to get max resi with buffs and decent self heal.

My highest arc was 11, and I didnt feel like i would need a healer. Selfheal and some defensive setup was more then enough.

That was my 2nd attempting for the "Endless Archive". Maybe we were killed by 3rd arc boss.
First arc was not so problem. But from second wave, my CP over 1000 DD partner couldn't survive against
normal dungeon boss even with my real tank support.

So, glass DD will not work in Endless Archive?

Ph1p · November 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

So, glass DD will not work in Endless Archive?

Arcs 1 and 2 are absolutely doable with a 20k health, glass cannon DD build, even solo. It does require some practice and attention to mechanics, heavy attacks, interrupts, and so on. But beyond that enemies simply start hitting too hard.

AvalonRanger · November 2023

My real tank + CP over 1000 DD = killed by arc3 last Tho’at boss.

My real tank + CP 900 DD = killed by second arc Dead land WB.

My real healer + CP over 1000 DD killed by second arc medium boss.

My DD + Other DD player = Maybe we can't get just 1arc reward...

I didn't 2DD test in EA yet though. I think DD must have self protection and healing
even in 4 men style dungeon. Especially in Vet.

valenwood_vegan · November 2023

Soloed to 5-4-2, where I ran out of time to continue, on a tanky dps with a ton of self-heals.

Not trying to imply that it's easy to do, but I know I absolutely could not have done that on a build set up for any of the traditional three roles.

Gotta think outside the box.

SilverBride · November 2023

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

AvalonRanger · November 2023

Current my situation, going my real DK tank character with skillful DD player is best duo.
We can get arc 1 or 2 so easily through 1 hour.

But, I can't correct other class set item. Because, there's no PUG tougher tank than mine..(T_T)

Soarora · November 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Current my situation, going my real DK tank character with skillful DD player is best duo.
We can get arc 1 or 2 so easily through 1 hour.

But, I can't correct other class set item. Because, there's no PUG tougher tank than mine..(T_T)

Once you get your DK sets it’ll start pulling from the other class loot pools I believe. And yes, real tank + DPS is considered best strat. I have gotten considerably far with 2 DPS but tank + DPS got further.

Necrotech_Master · November 2023

i usually tend to avg about 30-40 min per arc until about arc 4, after arc 4 is where it slows down a bit

had a run last night that was close to 5ish hours and we made it to arc 9 lol

Braffin · November 2023

I really see no need for a 4-person-version of EA.

It's content intended for solo players or duos and quite refreshing as is.

AvalonRanger · November 2023

Thanks for the high damage DD player, the farming is going good.
However, I want to demand DD's self protection technique.

Most of DD people usually do damage only build. It's not good at all in DLC contents.
Target dummy will not kill you, but real combat is not.

I can carry DD until 1 or 2 arc, but can't carry until 3 arc.
Dead DD is zero damage, your super canon is meaningless if you can't survive enough long time.

Vynera · November 2023

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Thanks for the high damage DD player, the farming is going good.
However, I want to demand DD's self protection technique.

Most of DD people usually do damage only build. It's not good at all in DLC contents.
Target dummy will not kill you, but real combat is not.

I can carry DD until 1 or 2 arc, but can't carry until 3 arc.
Dead DD is zero damage, your super canon is meaningless if you can't survive enough long time.

With a real tank as a partner, I'm usually running full DD setup till arc 3, then replace the mythic with pale order ring till arc 6 and then I go full heavy armor (by that point i usually have enough visions + pen to make decent damage even with full heavy and 40k hp) to go up to arc 10+ and by that point i usually run out of time.

AvalonRanger · November 2023

Vynera wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Thanks for the high damage DD player, the farming is going good.
However, I want to demand DD's self protection technique.

Most of DD people usually do damage only build. It's not good at all in DLC contents.
Target dummy will not kill you, but real combat is not.

I can carry DD until 1 or 2 arc, but can't carry until 3 arc.
Dead DD is zero damage, your super canon is meaningless if you can't survive enough long time.

With a real tank as a partner, I'm usually running full DD setup till arc 3, then replace the mythic with pale order ring till arc 6 and then I go full heavy armor (by that point i usually have enough visions + pen to make decent damage even with full heavy and 40k hp) to go up to arc 10+ and by that point i usually run out of time.

If DD partner is great DD, then I can get arc3 also. But mostly lack of damage, and failed.
But, it's OK. When I reach arc3, I spent almost 1hour30min time already. It's time to sleep for me.

Time difference divide us forever.

I never meet 95% of guild member actually.

Luckylancer · November 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

One more wont gonna hurt anyone

SilverBride · November 2023

Luckylancer wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

One more wont gonna hurt anyone

I believe it will. This is the only solo or duo content of this type. It should remain that way.

AlterBlika · November 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

Nearly all 4 man content can be done solo though, it's also pretty challenging. Duo it's even easier

Jaimeh · November 2023

There's so much content for 4-person groups, granted they're not endless but the unique point of EA is that it can be done solo or duo and hence the first of its kind, so please don't ask for it to be altered. Instead they could make similar type of endless arenas for other group compositions in the future.

SilverBride · November 2023

AlterBlika wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

Nearly all 4 man content can be done solo though, it's also pretty challenging. Duo it's even easier

How challenging 4 many dungeons are doesn't change the fact that they were set up for 4 players. The Endless Archive wasn't.

Almakor · September 7

SilverBride wrote: »

Please no. There are already countless 4 man dungeons and arenas. It's nice to have challenging content that can be done solo or with a friend.

I remember reading that the Archive is designed to suit the level of the player. So there could be a thing where it adjusts the difficulty depending on the number of players.

SilverBride · September 7

The Archive does not adjust to the level of the player. The difficulty is the same for all players regardless of level. It is also the same whether it's done solo or duo. The only thing that changes with these is which leaderboard the run qualifies for.

The solo leaderboard is just 1 player.
The duo leaderboard is 1 player with companion, or 2 players.