Necros: Can they be resurrected?

Azzras
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Please...I'M BEGGING YOU ZOS...fix Necros.
What you're doing ain't it.
Name a class in all seriousness worse than Necros.
Sadly, I chose this class to main. I want to love it. I WANT TO, but what it is now is an abomination.
This has probably been said before, but it needs to be screamed now.
Please please please get someone to work on Necros that loves the game and Necros.
Signed,
A Necro Main still hanging on by a thread.
  • Azzras
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    A delayed buff that can and does miss is not a great replacement for the old blastbones.
  • LukosCreyden
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    Heyyy, at least they got... something this patch! Blastbones 2.0 still sucks though...

    I miss my necro. I am maining no pet sorc nowadays, using some scribing stuff, but man, I DO miss my spooky magics on my necro.
    Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.
  • YandereGirlfriend
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    Necro buffs tied to actually using the abilities whereas Arcanist and basically all modern class buff changes provide them simply for being slotted - on either bar.

    Necros still being fed scraps compared to every other class.
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    Scrap the tethers completely. They're hot garbage outside of dummy parsing.
  • StarOfElyon
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    Azzras wrote: »
    Please...I'M BEGGING YOU ZOS...fix Necros.
    What you're doing ain't it.
    Name a class in all seriousness worse than Necros.
    Sadly, I chose this class to main. I want to love it. I WANT TO, but what it is now is an abomination.
    This has probably been said before, but it needs to be screamed now.
    Please please please get someone to work on Necros that loves the game and Necros.
    Signed,
    A Necro Main still hanging on by a thread.

    Necros feel ok when you don't use Necro skills. Just slot Blastbones. Not good, just ok.
  • BasP
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    Necro buffs tied to actually using the abilities whereas Arcanist and basically all modern class buff changes provide them simply for being slotted - on either bar.

    Necros still being fed scraps compared to every other class.

    Yeah, it's a shame that the Necromancer didn't receive any buffs or QoL changes at all after week 1 of the PTS cycle, despite all of the feedback that was given. Hopefully the class will get some more attention in Q4...
  • OtarTheMad
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    I said time and time again that putting the Savagery and Brutality buffs on those abilities, Siphon and Skeletal, wouldn't solve any issues for Necro because those abilities would still be crap. You can put gold in a pile of poo but it's still a pile of poo.

    A lot of the other changes are nice though, at least on paper. I haven't tried them. I am glad that Necro did get some love but those crit and power buffs are blah. I'll still be using the Mages and Fighters abilities that give them because I need a sticky dot badly and a slot that is just a passive because sustain.
  • Tinkerhorn
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    There's some good for sure but the removal of corpse generation outside of combat is a bit of a nuisence. Especially when it comes to wanting to proc some sets
    Will have to have a good fiddle around with my build. As has been said though, the source for the new buffs are not ideal so basically a no touch, and giving up the heal resolving vigor is a bit of a no no especially as it can proc sets like Rallying Cry etc... which minimises the new utility of summoners armour. The extension to 30 seconds is nice though. Kind of feels that ZoS finally heard us about needing buffs but didn't think too hard about where to put them. Then on top of that had to take with 1 hand (corpse generation) which has created problems in and of itself.
    Edited by Tinkerhorn on August 20, 2024 6:25AM
  • The_Isatope8
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    At least they're trying to fix necro and doing something to make them better. Templar just got a small duration increase to 2 ok buffs on a skill that no one uses.
    Number 1 Templar apologist
  • alpha_synuclein
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    Scrap the tethers completely. They're hot garbage outside of dummy parsing.

    Imo the concept of tethers is not terrible, but with all the fuss needed to use them, they should be much stronger than regular DoTs.
  • Turtle_Bot
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    Scrap the tethers completely. They're hot garbage outside of dummy parsing.

    Imo the concept of tethers is not terrible, but with all the fuss needed to use them, they should be much stronger than regular DoTs.

    Agreed, the tethers as a concept are fine, but imo they need to have a guaranteed AoE around the necro rather than just a basic numbers increase.

    Have the tethers be a guaranteed melee AoE around the cro for their duration that then automatically links to the nearest corpse so that there is a guaranteed AoE melee DoT around the necro that increases its range by tethering to a corpse.

    This gives the tethers a guaranteed baseline DoT/HoT around the necro that remains useful at all times that then also becomes ranged if you have corpses near a target to link the tether making it also useful in ranged encounters. This also means that if the link breaks there is still the melee AoE around the cro for the entire duration that can be extended to a new corpse if there is another corpse within range.
  • alpha_synuclein
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    Turtle_Bot wrote: »
    Scrap the tethers completely. They're hot garbage outside of dummy parsing.

    Imo the concept of tethers is not terrible, but with all the fuss needed to use them, they should be much stronger than regular DoTs.

    Agreed, the tethers as a concept are fine, but imo they need to have a guaranteed AoE around the necro rather than just a basic numbers increase.

    Have the tethers be a guaranteed melee AoE around the cro for their duration that then automatically links to the nearest corpse so that there is a guaranteed AoE melee DoT around the necro that increases its range by tethering to a corpse.

    This gives the tethers a guaranteed baseline DoT/HoT around the necro that remains useful at all times that then also becomes ranged if you have corpses near a target to link the tether making it also useful in ranged encounters. This also means that if the link breaks there is still the melee AoE around the cro for the entire duration that can be extended to a new corpse if there is another corpse within range.

    Double AoE sounds pretty broken ;)
    I'd be fine with the "on corpse" option, as long as it's power compensates the conditional use.

    Also, some extra features might be considered. Detonating has a nice semi-spammable thing to it. Shocking could be reworked a bit though. Necros don't get much from lightning damage and between Lucent Echoes and scribing the whole 3 element in one class thing looses it's flavour.
  • StarOfElyon
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    Tinkerhorn wrote: »
    There's some good for sure but the removal of corpse generation outside of combat is a bit of a nuisence. Especially when it comes to wanting to proc some sets
    Will have to have a good fiddle around with my build. As has been said though, the source for the new buffs are not ideal so basically a no touch, and giving up the heal resolving vigor is a bit of a no no especially as it can proc sets like Rallying Cry etc... which minimises the new utility of summoners armour. The extension to 30 seconds is nice though. Kind of feels that ZoS finally heard us about needing buffs but didn't think too hard about where to put them. Then on top of that had to take with 1 hand (corpse generation) which has created problems in and of itself.

    I probably cried the loudest when they announced the removal or corpse generation outside of combat. This is a serious issue for pre-buffing which is a must in PvP. They could have removed the ultimate generation outside of combat and left the corpse generation alone.

    Forgot to leave this here
    This is an updated version of my Necro ideas thread from 2023 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/633137/suggestions-for-necromancer-changes) with adjustments accounting for the Update 43 patch notes.

    One thing that ZOS has been doing lately, especially with the Arcanist class, is making skills require less micromanagement and loading them with multiple functions:
    Cephaliarch's Flail:
    Infuse your arm with abyssal magic to form tentacles that lash out at your foes dealing 1939 Physical Damage, healing yourself for 969, and generating Crux. Enemies are immobilized for 3 seconds and marked with Abyssal Ink for 20 seconds. You deal 5% increased damage to enemies drenched in Abyssal Ink.

    Tome-Bearer's Inspiration:
    Etch a series of runes onto your weapon that pulse with power once every 5 seconds. Each pulse enhances your class abilities, and striking an enemy with one deals an additional 1161 Magic Damage and generates Crux if you have none. While slotted on either ability bar, gain Major Brutality and Major Sorcery, increasing your Weapon and Spell Damage by 20%.

    My first suggestion is to give Necromancers the same treatment. My suggestions for skills follow.

    Blighted Blastbones: cost determined by the highest resource.
    (I have mourned the loss of Stalking Blastbones and I have accepted that fact that I'm just going to have to change my Necro)

    Death Scythe: (both morphs)
    Deals more damage based on the enemy's missing health. Cost determined by the highest resource.
    - Hungry Scythe: should also apply life steal to all enemies hit, in addition to healing the caster over time.

    Shocking Siphon: The AOE should remain on the ground even if the tether breaks early. (Increase the radius size too)
    - Mystic Siphon: the increased Health, Magicka, and Stamina Recovery persists even if the tether breaks early.

    Flame Skull:
    - Riccochet Skull/Venom Skull:
    applies burning/poisoned status effects. (Increase travel speed)

    Bone Totem: summons an effigy of bones up to 28 meters away. After 1 second, the totem begins fearing nearby enemies every 2 seconds, causing them to cower in place for 4 seconds. (Changed to allow both morphs to be targeted)
    - Warding Totem: (Formerly Remote Totem) grants minor protection when standing in the area of effect.
    - Agony Totem: afflicts enemies in the area of effect with minor cowardice.

    Restoring Tether: the effects persist on the player character even if the tether breaks early.

    Render Flesh:
    - Resistant Flesh: (remains unchanged)
    - Blood Sacrifice: consumes a corpse to grant you Major Courage (or Major Berserk) for 10 seconds.

    Expunge: reduces the cost of all your abilities by 3% while slotted on either bar.

    Bitter Harvest: when slotted on either bar, reduces your damage taken by 3%.

    Boneyard increase the radius to 8 meters.


    ULTIMATES:
    Frozen Colossus: Unleash a decayed Flesh Colossus to pulverize enemies in the area. The Colossus smashes the ground three times over 3 seconds. Dealing damage applies Major Vulnerability to any enemy hit for 12 seconds.
    - Glacial Colossus: does frost damage and stuns enemies on the second hit instead of the third.
    - Pestilent Colossus: smashes the ground only once and does disease damage. Afflicts enemies with a pestilence that does damage over time.

    Animate Blastbones: instead of resurrecting allies, this ultimate summons up to three blastbones to attack the nearest opponent. Reduce the cost of this ultimate to 200, down from 320, to make it more usable.
    Edited by StarOfElyon on August 20, 2024 2:54PM
  • Afterip
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    It's sad that even with the current buffs, necromancer is still the weakest class in pvp.
  • CameraBeardThePirate
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    Necros were stealth nerfed this patch. You can no longer consume corpses while outside of combat.

    Note: this is not the intended nerf of not being able to create corpses outside of combat. You can no longer consume corpses OOC even if they were created in combat.

    Also, GLS is still bugged, not buffing skull if the third cast is a killing blow, and still labeled as Stalking Blastbones.
    Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on August 20, 2024 6:14PM
  • StarOfElyon
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    Necros were stealth nerfed this patch. You can no longer consume corpses while outside of combat.

    Note: this is not the intended nerf of not being able to create corpses outside of combat. You can no longer consume corpses OOC even if they were created in combat.

    Also, GLS is still bugged, not buffing skull if the third cast is a killing blow, and still labeled as Stalking Blastbones.

    I guess they were afraid that the Necromancer changes they made in update 43 threatened to tip the balance of power too far in the Necro's favor, so they had to throw in a nerf for good measure.
    Edited by StarOfElyon on August 20, 2024 7:53PM
  • Azzras
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    At least they're trying to fix necro and doing something to make them better. Templar just got a small duration increase to 2 ok buffs on a skill that no one uses.

    Templars aren't in the shape Necros are.
  • Reginald_leBlem
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    Nuking necro's ability to slurp souls out of combat has unnecessarily hobbled them, again.
  • Tinkerhorn
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    At least they're trying to fix necro and doing something to make them better. Templar just got a small duration increase to 2 ok buffs on a skill that no one uses.

    My mains are Necro and Templar. Templar has a lot of problems in Cyro/IC with mobility and the front end of its damage but it's in a much better spot than Necro. Necro has frustrations at every step even down to difficulty in procing sets.
    Making a tanky necro is easy, making a reliably threatening necro which doesn't crumble under pressure is very difficult.
    Edited by Tinkerhorn on August 21, 2024 12:33AM
  • Azzras
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    Necros are in even worse shape now. It was just dps that suffered, but now tanks and healers too.
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