War Torte Recipe - - - -Joke, Insult, or Insanity

heaven13 · March 19

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

I'd love to find one, just to actually find one! Back when I was playing/looking, never happened.

Jaraal · March 19

CGPsaint wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

It takes slightly less than 25 million AP if you use White Gold War Tortes and the Mora's Whispers mythic!

Well, sure, if you want to spend hundreds of millions on tortes and sacrifice a mythic, arena, or monster set that can actually help you earn AP by being a better fighter for a few months or years.

evymyu233 · March 20

I spent 5 months use 50% war tortes,from lv 23 to 49,about 3-4 hours of play per day.I don't think it's a very long time.

Jaraal · March 20

CGPsaint wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

It takes slightly less than 25 million AP if you use White Gold War Tortes and the Mora's Whispers mythic!

Well, sure, if you want to spend hundreds of millions on tortes and sacrifice a mythic, arena, or monster set that can actually help you earn AP by being a better fighter for a few months or years.

(for reference, I used roughly 60 White Gold War Tortes to go from level 14 to 50 during the last Whitestrake's Event)

You went from Alliance Rank 14 to Grand Overlord (AR 50) in 12 days?

SaffronCitrusflower · March 20

weins201 wrote: »

Ok so this is the reward to having / consuming the diff War Torte's
Clovian - 50% Boost AVA for 30 Minutes
Molten - 100% Boost Ava for 30 Minutes
White Gold - 150% Boost AVA boost for 30 minutes

BUT the COST to make them is just plain I N S A N E, fist off you need to Fine the Clovian War Torte Recipe Extremely Rare in Resource Nod Location in CYrodil - ok then you read to learn how to make a Clvian War Torte . . . .

NOW you can spend 500,000 tel var to buy a Dissertation to read to Improve the Clovian War Torte RECIPIE (you have ot have another recipe) to learn how to make the Molten War Tortes. Now you know how to make a Molten War Torte - BUT you need 40 - (yes destroy 40 Clovian War Tortes) and another ingredient that take another 100K tel var to make ONE Molten War Torte. Soooo just to make one Molten War torte you hade to find 2 Clovian War Torte Recipies and spend 500K tel var just to learn how to make them. Then use 40 Clovian War Torts and spend another 100K tel var for another ingredient to make a Molten War Torte ***** you give up 20 hours of 50% to get 30 Minutes of 100% who is that nutz.

WHITE GOLD WAR TORTE - even more insane- you need to get lucky like no one ever does and get tis recipe from doing INSANE Battlegrounds. if for some you do get this lucky you now need to also have the RECIPEI for Molten War Torte (THE RECIPEI) avail to read sooo now you need another Clovian War Torte Recipes, ANOTHER 500K TelVar Dissertation, to get another Molten War Torte Recipie and then leqrn it up to White Gold - - - - -

Now you need One Molten War Torte (40 Clovian War Tortes, and a 100K tel Var Ingredient) and now another extremely E X T R E E M L Y rare resource from CYrodil - to make a White Gold War Torte = 150% Boost for 30 Minutes which you still lose because you gave up 20 hours at 50% to get? No to include the time spent trying to get the other resources needed to get to this level.

Clovian War Torte is ok as is 50% for 30 minutes.
Molten War torte should be 1000% for 30 minutes OR 100 % for at least 24 hours
Now if you are luck enough to have obtained and willing to spend all you have earned to have a White Gold War Torte in your inv then you SHOULD GET - 1000% boost for 24 hours no matter what.

The bonus for being and Overlord are north offsetting in any way PvP wise just aesthetics. Soo what is the loss.

Trade off is NOT worth time / effort / COST for Clovian to Molten in any way shape or form. White Gold, if you have played enough to find these items then Reward such play.

Agreed. Anything other than the basic torte is so insanely expensive to craft it will never be worth it. This is just one of many examples of how badly ZOS misses the mark with balancing things these days.

Elrond87 · March 20

ill be max pvp rank before i get hold of that 150% one making it pointless to have, but it bugs me that it is only recipe i do not have learnt

katanagirl1 · March 21

Jaraal wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

32???? I have visited every website I could find about farming these, and got some tips from a player in my guild who farms them, and I have yet to find one. I take time just to farm them but I am also in Cyrodiil just about every day doing PvP activities. I must have some epically bad rng.

Well, I've spent a lot of time farming them. And with experience comes insight. So there are some things I may know that aren't common knowledge.

I'll give you one tip. People who ride around looking for the recipes miss a large percentage of them. The reason being that the books are not very tall. And when ZOS originally laid out the spawn points for resource nodes, they apparently used the taller items. There are certain flowers and mushrooms that are partially buried underground.... and the books work like that, too. Many of the ones I've found were very hard to see. In fact, even with Keen Eye 3 in all types of nodes, some of the Lost Imperial Notes could only be noticed by just a few wispy strands poking out of the ground, meaning, too low for any visible green glow. And more than one has been completely buried. I would not have known one was even there had I not moused over the known location, and seen the name appear on my screen.

So your best chance to find them is to be on foot, and looking carefully at all the spawn locations. In fact, I've seen players ride right past them before, because they weren't very obvious. Never take for granted that they can all be seen from 50 yards away.

Yeah, I go to one spot the guildie recommended and farm the nodes on foot. I guess the idea is that the recipe would come to you and respawn there. Maybe that is not good, but traveling the whole zone did not work either.

I do not have keen eye on my main toon. I was hoping the bright green glow of the book would be enough, and from what I have seen in snapshots it seemed sufficient.

I also assumed that lag would keep me from seeing anything when riding, the draw distance nowadays is so short.

Lumsdenml · August 9

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

Was that in the patch notes? I don't remember seeing that...

LaintalAy · August 9

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Jaraal · August 10

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

Was that in the patch notes? I don't remember seeing that...

Nope, it was a stealth change. In fact, there are many changes that are made with each patch that never make it into the patch notes. They tell us what they feel we need to know... nothing more, nothing less.

Orbital78 · August 10

I don't think the banner drop rate was intended to be as high as it was. After the forum rant, I stopped getting as many.

That is a good aoe spot, may give it a shot again if vile manse gets crowded. I wish they would add more good aoe spots.

dk_dunkirk · August 10

Given the rarity and expense, virtually no one is crafting the 150% scrolls, PVP or PVE. Why? Would it kill anyone at ZOS to make both these and the PVE XP buffs easier to learn and craft? They've made the situation such that people hoard those recipes, ingredients, and buffs, instead of thinking, "Hey, neat, I'll pop one here to help me as I'm about to do this XP-heavy thing." It takes the fun out of it, and isn't fun supposed to be the point of a video game?

Jaraal · August 10

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

Given the rarity and expense, virtually no one is crafting the 150% scrolls, PVP or PVE. Why? Would it kill anyone at ZOS to make both these and the PVE XP buffs easier to learn and craft? They've made the situation such that people hoard those recipes, ingredients, and buffs, instead of thinking, "Hey, neat, I'll pop one here to help me as I'm about to do this XP-heavy thing." It takes the fun out of it, and isn't fun supposed to be the point of a video game?

The point of the rarity of the book for the 150% recipe is that ZOS is hoping you will instead buy the easy to get 150% AP scrolls from the crown store. By making the recipe (no matter how ridiculously rare) available through in game means averts any claims of "pay to win," as you don't literally have to pay crowns to get a 150% bonus... you can theoretically farm it yourself, or buy it with gold from someone who did.

Holycannoli · August 10

I haven’t found a single mourning dew in all my time farming in Cyrodiil, which I do more than in any map.

I don’t have the white recipe though. Maybe that makes a difference.

The first recipe is rare but not so rare as to be unobtainable. I’ve found three so far.

praxis · August 10

I do not have the white-gold recipe but have found 5 mourning dews (and I know a handful of other players without the wgwt recipe who have also picked up dew from cyrodiil resource nodes).

I've never seen the first recipe in the wild and I spend a lot of time farming in cyrodiil.

Jaraal · August 10

The Mourning Dews are pretty cheap on guild traders now, as you can get it from Infinite Archive provisioning coffers.

Silaf · August 10

Holycannoli wrote: »

I haven’t found a single mourning dew in all my time farming in Cyrodiil, which I do more than in any map.

I don’t have the white recipe though. Maybe that makes a difference.

The first recipe is rare but not so rare as to be unobtainable. I’ve found three so far.

I have all 3 war torte recipes and in the event 1 of the 3 random resources i casually piked up in cyro dropped a morning dew.
It may be a coincidence but still...

Orbital78 · August 10

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

Given the rarity and expense, virtually no one is crafting the 150% scrolls, PVP or PVE. Why? Would it kill anyone at ZOS to make both these and the PVE XP buffs easier to learn and craft? They've made the situation such that people hoard those recipes, ingredients, and buffs, instead of thinking, "Hey, neat, I'll pop one here to help me as I'm about to do this XP-heavy thing." It takes the fun out of it, and isn't fun supposed to be the point of a video game?

I've tried to sell them for 170k each, which is fairly cheap vs the cost of Aetherial Dust. Prices have gone down some to where I might be able to cut profit a little lower.

I_killed_Vivec · August 10

Guysheeda_1 wrote: »

I have found three base tortes in the "wild" within the area around Chorrol and all within two weeks of each other.
Used one, sold one, still have one.
I've see at least three others in that same general area in the last year.

Thanks for the info, Mr Ganker

SeaGtGruff · August 10

Holycannoli wrote: »

I haven’t found a single mourning dew in all my time farming in Cyrodiil, which I do more than in any map.

I don’t have the white recipe though. Maybe that makes a difference.

The first recipe is rare but not so rare as to be unobtainable. I’ve found three so far.

I've found 3 of the first recipe, but not on the same server-- 2 on PCEU, 1 on PCNA.

I also found 1 Mourning Dew on PCEU a few months ago. It wasn't during Whitestrake's Mayhem, but I remember double-draw nodes being active at the time, so I think it was during the most recent "explorer's" event when double-draw nodes were active in all zones of the game. And I apparently already had 1 Mourning Dew on PCEU that I don't ever remember harvesting, so I've concluded that it may have dropped from an event coffer in a Whitestrake's Mayhem event-- not during the most recent event, but during the one before that.

It's actually kind of maddening, because PCNA is my primary server, the one where I spend Crowns on Crowns-only housing, and PCEU is really just my secondary server-- yet a lot of the time I end up having better RNG luck on PCEU than on PCNA!

HumbleThaumaturge · August 11

I reckon everyone already knows this, but I mention it anyway.

In the discussion, it is mentioned several times that AP-boosting war tortes last 30 minutes. The duration of a war torte may be extended to 50 minutes (an extra 20 minutes) by putting 3 Skill Points into "Gourmand" under Skills, Craft, Provisioning. Note: The "Rationer" buff under the Green (Craft) Champion Point tree has no effect on the war torte timer.

jle30303 · August 11

What seems to me a really bad move, is that the recipes are not independent of each other: that you have to consume a lower level recipe to even make the higher level recipe.

Like, given that the tier 1 recipe is already as rare as it is, you have to find and consume a SECOND one of these - with the 500k Tel Var item - to actually make the tier 2 recipe.

This is bad design. The 500k Tel Var item should be, straight out, the tier 2 recipe, without needing to obtain and consume a second tier 1 recipe.

Likewise: the tier 3 recipe is rare enough that it should not require consumption of a second tier 2 recipe (i.e. another 500k Tel Var stones AND a THIRD tier 1 recipe) to make the recipe. It should be a direct drop.

Also, the Tel Var costs of both the Tier 2 recipe *and* of Rubyblossom Extract could quite productively have a zero knocked off the end, and 50k / 10k Tel Var would still be a BIG HUGE AMOUNT to actually pay. Right now, 100k is an insane amount to pay for the necessary ingredient of a food that only lasts 30 minutes.

Blacknight841 · August 11

There is no point to farming the Lost Thesis in battlegrounds. The lost thesis is the equivalent of the cipher. If the cipher is a possible loot item during the anniversary event, then the lost thesis should be a possible loot item from the pvp events.

The developers adjusted the cost of the dawn star from the cyrodiil vendor, but they should also adjust the tel var cost of the ingredients for the war torte recipes. They adjusted the vouchers rewarded in master writs, especially for the provisioning ones that include roe. If these items were adjusted to make them appropriately valuable, then I see no reason why the tel var related items have been neglected.

If an item is added that is only available from a specific vendor with a specific currency, then that’s fine…. But that item should also be constantly monitored to make sure the cost that item is proportional to the economy in the game.